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Where Are All the Fringe History Writers This Fall?

10/9/2018

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​Did something happen to the pseudo-archaeology and pseudo-history writers over the past few months? It seems that one by one, the lights have gone out, and there is increasingly less to write about their follies and fictions. I don’t mean to imply that there is no pseudo-history on offer—YouTube, Sputnik, and the British tabloids see to it that this is never the case—but the high-profile, quasi-professional material seems to be slipping into a fallow period. If I had to guess, I’d say that the current political situation is sucking all of the air out of the room and leaving no space for other topics to gain traction.
​I glanced at the major fringe history magazines and discovered that they are not really covering much history nowadays. Atlantis Rising devoted itself to satellite warfare in its current edition, while Nexus has increasingly moved toward psychedelic and alternative physics topics. The Fortean Times hasn’t had a good story about ancient history in months, mostly being a collection of ghost stories and monster tales that even that magazine doesn’t pretend to actually believe anymore.
 
The stars of Ancient Aliens have been mostly silent. Few of them have updated their websites or blogs in weeks or months, or in the case David Childress, years. Giorgio Tsoukalos only tweets self-promotion now. David Wilcock, who did not appear in the last batch of Ancient Aliens episodes, now blathers incoherently about right-wing fantasies of mass arrests of liberals and his recent claim that conspirators working with space aliens tried to assassinate Donald Trump, who heroically failed to die. He says he is now all-in on the Q-Anon conspiracy and that his “sources” will have “something big” to share soon. He is the Lindsey Graham of Ancient Aliens. Even L. A. Marzulli is off of ancient history and giants and focused now on proving that space aliens are really Fallen Angels in a series of books and DVDs. He recently described holding a so-called alien implant some guy had extracted. “I was amazed as I was holding in my hand an object that may have originated from the domain of the Fallen Angels. I held the object close to my eyes and examined it. Fallen Angel technology/Nephilim Architecture I thought. This would be a term I would later coin and use in my books, DVDs and lectures.” But did he trademark it? Satan is all about securing intellectual property rights; after all, the laws are practically demoniacal in their complexity. I do not trust these implant stories. I had one in my finger for about seven years. It looked just like the one seen on TV, but it was not alien. It was a shard from a lamp that embedded in my finger. The doctor missed it at the time of injury, and it did not show up clearly on the first x-ray. After continued pain, an x-ray two years later found it, but in those days I lacked the money for surgery to remove it (having a crappy bare-bones insurance plan that only payed a percentage), and it took several more years for it to work its way out. It popped out one day all on its own. I still have the lamp, but if I had not watched the lamp spike me, it would have been a mystery metal shard as far as anyone knew.

Anyway, as best I can tell, none of the major alternative history authors has a new book in current release, and the last (from Erich von Däniken) came out in the spring, and the next on the release schedule (from Graham Hancock) isn’t due until next year. I checked with the regular publishers of such works. Inner Traditions has no new fringe history books available for prepublication review, and New Page Books hasn’t updated its release schedule or listings since the spring. The websites for journalists providing access to galley proofs and prerelease digital preprints lists nothing for the next six months that falls within my purview. This, of course, doesn’t mean that there won’t be any, only that publishers are not making any such releases available for review. Even the fiftieth anniversary edition of Chariots of the Gods, which was supposed to have received a lavish launch this summer, disappeared into the ether. The hardcover rerelease came out in July without so much as a press release, and the publisher declined to send me a copy.
 
It’s just as well. Way back in the 1970s, Erich von Däniken promised to correct mistakes in Chariots that he admitted were errors. The new edition has not changed those errors a half century on. To be fair, he does finally acknowledge the errors in a new foreword, but not without bitterness. Upset that the supposedly unrusting pillar of iron in Delhi that he trumpeted in Chariots is actually rusting, he calls the monument a “piece of junk.”
 
The only new material is the author’s new foreword, written earlier this year. It was a disappointing performance. Instead of writing something useful or interesting, or even just reflecting on his own career as a spokesman for the absurd, von Däniken tossed off the laziest possible foreword, retelling the familiar story (well-known from his earlier books and interviews) of how he came to write Chariots after deciding that God’s ultimate transcendence meant that he could not be the material actor of the Mosaic narrative. His desire to cast his quest in religious terms, prominent since the 1980s, is on full display, as he writes about his “religious doubts” and his effort to root out aliens in order to discover the true power and majesty of the One True God. It’s a story he tells with clockwork regularity.
 
The publisher clearly didn’t give a hoot about the foreword either. About half of the “new” foreword retells information about the genesis of Chariots contained in the second foreword, written in 1999, and appearing on the very next page. Comparisons between the two show that in his dotage, von Däniken has lost much of his ability to tell a story coherently and with depth and detail. Why the publisher was happy to have an inferior copy of the same material added I can’t imagine. The person they had translate the new pages—German-born Ingeborg Venus, the director of postgraduate research at Yale (!! and, sigh)—did a less than ideal job, and even an ancient astronaut theorist should be able to see that where the translator makes the author speak of “old Greek” texts of the Bible, the “Ancient Greek” language (as opposed to modern Greek) is meant. (Von Däniken was referring to the Septuagint.) The publisher also let von Däniken get away with whitewashing his personal history, telling the story of his hotel management job and his world travels to “research” the book without acknowledging that he did so on embezzled money and that he was convicted of the crime and spent his jail time writing his second book.
 
All in all, it’s probably for the best that the anniversary edition of Chariots failed to attract any attention. 
71 Comments
Joe Scales
10/9/2018 09:51:29 am

Early Fall is a great time to take a vacation. The weather is still nice and all the kids are in school. That, or it's somehow the current political theatre hyped by many, cared for by few, that's responsible for them not giving you material. Yeah... that's it. I sense conspiracy.

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Jason Colavito link
10/9/2018 10:16:33 am

It's hardly a conspiracy to suggest that these things go in cycles and right now public attention is focused elsewhere. It was the same in the early 2000s, when the 1990s "alternative history" wave had burned out and public attention was focused on other issues.

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AmericanCool"Disco"Dan
10/9/2018 04:18:19 pm

"In This Age of Trump when things get unsatisfying the unsatisfied know who to point at."

Joe Scales
10/9/2018 05:44:52 pm

"... these things go in cycles and right now public attention is focused elsewhere."

Really? I mean... REALLY? Like what's going on now hasn't been going on for the last two years; non-stop ad nauseum. But only now, with the latest media spectacle, are Fringe writers and their followers tuning in politics and failing to provide you with adequate fodder?

It's not the end of the world Jason. Things are fine. You'll get over it. We all will.

Jason Colavito link
10/9/2018 06:42:43 pm

There has been a marked decline in professional fringe material for more than a year now. This fall, which is prime season for books because of Christmas presents, it's noticeable how many fewer there are. These things are planned 12-18 months in advance, so it's not like everyone decided last week to stop writing books.

AmericanCool"Disco"Dan
10/9/2018 07:48:32 pm

Christmas presents? Umm, okay... It's like you're wondering why they don't have Black Friday in October. It's like crackers on cheese.

Z
10/9/2018 08:39:44 pm

"Things are fine. You'll get over it. We all will."

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a23639612/climate-change-report-2040/

Joe Scales
10/9/2018 08:56:37 pm

"​Did something happen to the pseudo-archaeology and pseudo-history writers over the past few months?"

Yeah, that's how this began.

Then...
"There has been a marked decline in professional fringe material for more than a year now."

Oh... so now it's more than a year. Okay then. I'll take unbridled speculation for a thousand Alex.

Jason Colavito link
10/9/2018 09:47:31 pm

Oh, for crying out loud, Joe. A decline and an absence are not the same thing. There has been less, and for the past six weeks, in what should be the busy season, there is virtually none. Your nitpicking efforts to try to trap me into pointless pedantry are really quite boring. As you might notice, language is dependent on context.

bezalel
10/10/2018 12:35:12 am

Once on reaches a foot or so up Trump's ass does it stop smelling like shit or something?

It's amazing how triggered some here are. One mention of conservative politics and out comes the cavalry.

Joe Scales
10/10/2018 09:57:19 am

"Your nitpicking efforts to try to trap me into pointless pedantry are really quite boring."

Do you somehow feel trapped? I mean, you're the one making the connections. I only seek clarification. Now I could have just jumped to the chase and told you once again that politics is making you sloppy. But having you make that point yourself with your continued extrapolations in a sea of everchanging context is certainly more demonstrative in this regard. By all means, carry on.

Doc Rock
10/10/2018 04:15:37 pm

Jason,

Pedantry is just the symptom. Lack of self-awareness is the real issue. There is a point of diminishing return when it comes to engaging at length with people who make a habit of such things. I'm semi-retired and sometimes have the time and inclination, especially after a few cocktails, to engage in the intellectual equivalent of licking the window right back at that short bus rider. In your case I would suggest just ignoring them. When it comes to dealing with those over at the kiddie table, these exchanges look much better on their curriculum vitae than yours. I assume that you have heard that saying or can understand its meaning.

AmericanCool"Disco"Dan
10/10/2018 05:02:17 pm

What Cap'n Drinky-Poo is saying is "When I drink I act like a retard." Shame on you Cap'n!

Doc Rock
10/10/2018 05:16:21 pm

I rest my case.

Double Cape Cod, anyone?

Americancool"Disco"Dan
10/10/2018 10:46:57 pm

"window licker
(derogatory) ~ sl.: euphemism for a person of mentally challenged status. Etymology: C20 - Derived from the stereotyped behaviour of mentally challenged people, observed to place their open mouths into prolongued contact with the external windows of public or private transport on which they are seated."

Stay classy, Cap'n! You old pickle pirate.

Doc Rock
10/11/2018 10:26:56 am

Well, I just hope that I don't end up stooping so low as to engage in more prurient discussions like some people here. You know, the ones who seem incapable of commenting without drifting into the realm of pedophilia and/or homophobia.

OK, backing away from the window, so bye for now. Irish coffee time.




Funny
10/9/2018 10:07:13 am

Funny post. You are only talking about English-speaking part of the world, showing typical anglocentrism notion. Do you even know some foreign languages? In Europe there are plenty of new materials, books, TV programs on such topics like Ancient Aliens or lost civilizations. All you have to do is just check news in Spain, Italy, France, Poland or Netherlands. I know, I know, this is an American blog so you don't cover things that are not in interest of American people. That's funny, but.. let it be.

Have you ever heard of something like YouTube? There are hundreds of YouTube channels who make films about history and aliens. There are even channels made by Smithsonian Institution. Also it's worth to acknowledge that we are living in 2018 year. Nobody read the books in the era of internet. Even books made by Hancock or Daniken sold less copies than number of people who watched average film on YouTube made by average Youtuber. Some YouTube videos have more than 1-2 millions of views, you can even find videos with more than 5 mln views. YouTube is center of modern so called 'fringe history'. People like you don't want to acknowledge that and prefer to focus on newspapers or books who - I repeat - nobody reads anymore. Even Ancient Aliens show have less viewers than some of the average videos on particular YouTube channels.

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Jason Colavito link
10/9/2018 10:15:01 am

I read more than a half-dozen languages, Funny, including Spanish, French, and Italian. You might have seen the hundred of pages of translations that I have posted in my Library. But as you mentioned, I am an American and I write about things of interest to an English-speaking audiences primarily.

Yes, many YouTube videos get a lot of views, but they tend to have very little "meat" in them to discuss, mostly being fact-free opinions or recaps of things that first appear in print. My interest isn't simply in the popularity of content, but also in having something detailed and substantive to examine. An entire fringe book might generate enough content for 2,000 words of criticism, but a 5 minute YouTube video usually has only enough content for a sentence or two of notice.

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BigNick
10/9/2018 03:47:22 pm

Funny, serious question- are like an intern, or what? I cant believe they would assign an officer to this site, or do you have a bunch of different sites that you are assigned to?

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Finn
10/10/2018 01:58:19 am

There is a world of difference between articles and published materials, and a youtube video.

If user SuperParty12345 puts up a five minute video about "LOOK AT THIS *low quality grainy* VIDEO OF A UFO OVER CHINA", do you really think the skeptical community is going go make any notable effort?

It'd be like me debunking every video about "TOP TEN DINOSAURS EVER" because they went and put pterosaurs in. There's only so may hours in a day.

"Some YouTube videos have more than 1-2 millions of views, you can even find videos with more than 5 mln views."

Some of those are videos of cats playing the piano, it doesn't mean they're worthy of notable response.

"YouTube is center of modern so called 'fringe history'."

Because it's basically free and easy to use. If these youtubers* had to code the HTML for a webpage, or publish it as a blog, you wouldn't see half as many, because switching on your phone and hitting record is a LOT easier.




* joke about potato-people goes here.

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Ralf Buelow
10/9/2018 11:56:11 am

Well, there is a (hopefully) new Erich von Daeniken book, "Neue Erkenntnisse" from Kopp Verlag, which came out in September.

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Jason Colavito link
10/9/2018 11:57:53 am

I should hope it has new material since the title is "New Insights," but I have my doubts!

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Machala
10/9/2018 12:13:49 pm

According the the Precepts of St. Rupert of Murdock, the Blessed Trinity of successful newspaper publishing is:
1) Tits & Ass
2) Political Sex Scandals
3) Sensational Pseudo-Science.

While this may still ring true in the pews of the faithful, the Church is beginning to see the erosion of the audience. Like St. Rupert, his audience is aging old whites who are clinging to the last vestiges of the Raj, The British Empire, and the American Democracy.
The operative word is AGING. Younger audiences aren't titillated by a centerfold silicon blonde or by who's boffing who. They're enured to scandal and could care less if someone is gay or straight.
"The times they are a changin' " and fringe writers are losing their older readers through attrition. They're failing to interest a younger audience. Twenty-somethings don't give a rat's ass about Ancient Aliens, Fallen Angel technology/Nephilim Architecture, or the Kensington Rune Stones !

The plain and simple truth is that everything is driven by $$$ and if you don't have a potential audience, you can't sell books.

When a topic becomes either so esoteric, or more frequently, so dépassé that it holds no interest to an electronically-plugged in generation, it has a hard time finding its way into print.

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expat link
10/9/2018 12:34:56 pm

Mike Bara's latest travesty of a book kind-of qualifies as fringe history. It's titled "Ancient Aliens and JFK," it has nothing to do with ancient aliens, and roughly 50% of it is copied from other sources.

Here's a point-by-point crit.
https://dorkmission.blogspot.com/2018/09/point-by-point-critique-of-mike-baras.html

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Jim
10/9/2018 01:25:23 pm

Well, it's rumored that America Unearthed is returning, so there is that.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/149844915349213/permalink/760311147635917/

Also, I would like to see Marzulli investigate mushroom shaped dicks to see if they are alien or Nephilim in nature.

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Joe Scales
10/10/2018 10:13:20 am

By the looks of those samples, if it's America Unearthed he's talking about, then our boy Scott is venturing into Ancient Alien terrain. But I think it's more likely a typo on the part of the consultant. There is another pseudo-archaeology show on the Science Channel called simply "Unearthed". Perhaps that's the show that came calling, as it's still on the air.

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Jim
10/10/2018 11:41:45 am

From what the fellow says it is Committee Films that contacted him, Committee Films did "America Unearthed" from the start and as far as I can see have nothing to do with the show "Unearthed".

Joe Scales
10/10/2018 01:00:08 pm

Oh, in that case, then let's pop the cork now. Unless of course maybe Committee films hired a younger host...

Jockobadger
10/9/2018 02:08:32 pm

Good article, Jason. Machala is definitely on to something here - at least his (her?) remarks tally pretty well with my own experience.

I'm pretty old, and pretty white, and I admit that a very occasional glance at a bit of T&A isn't too troubling. I also find that a good Clinton/Profumo-esque affair is very enjoyable, as is a nasty, poison-y spy scandal. Finally, I'm a scientist myself, but I LOVE a good dose of tin-foil hat grade pseudo-science. In fact I pursue it. I freely admit that I'm a serious and committed UFO buff because I saw one once! Yep, the real McCoy. A real McCoy of what stripe, I'm not sure, but I know it wasn't any of the usual suspects. More on that some other time.

Anyway, I have two boys, 20 and 18. The older one is at GU (Gonzaga, not Georgetown) and his little brother will soon be joining him. I still can't figure out how they ended up there. A Jesuit school? As far as I know they're both more or less atheists.

For some years now, I've been trying to figure out exactly what DOES interest these guys and their friends. UFO's? Nope, not really ("sure dad, they're real enough, have you seen the size of the universe lately?") Sasquatch? Seriously dad? Sex Scandals? ….blank look...."its all good dad." Politics? "All politicians are corrupt, but we'll deal with them soon enough." They both vote - they know they're not allowed to bitch if they don't vote.

They are both very adept gamers, computer and board, and they both built their own gaming machines. These computers are oil-cooled for chrissake. I'm not kidding around. They both paid for their computers because they have jobs in the summer (IT-type stuff.) They both have girlfriends too, but it's almost like the two of them and all their buddies and assorted GF's and BF's are all just one big bunch of genuinely good friends. There's the occasional bit of drama, but it's remarkably infrequent. Weird.

The one thing that I'm very clear on is that they are all deeply concerned about environmental stuff, which if the recent reporting is even remotely correct, that's a good thing. They do volunteer work around it without a bunch of sloganeering.

Machala's right and I'm glad that he (she?) wrote this up because it jarred me a bit. After reading the entry, I asked myself if she's right? Well....yes. This is something I've been noticing for quite awhile now. These young folk don't give "a rat's ass" if someone is black, white, native, gay, straight, queer (whatever that means exactly) or whatever. I'm proud of them....and I'm impressed. How DID this happen? Yep, Machala, "the times they are a-changin'"


PS - I should mention that they are all also very interested in earning lots of $$$ while they're saving the planet and so far, they're doing pretty damn good. These kids today.... Get off my lawn!

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Doc Rock
10/9/2018 04:10:05 pm

A lot of younger people are probably less likely be attracted to fringe stuff because they have grown up in a generation that is constantly online and can almost immediately access information that can rather quickly refute fringe claims. They tend to be much more willing to google stuff very quickly rather than looking something up as a last resort. So, somebody starts talking about how humans couldn't have possibly built (insert name of ruins) and within 30 seconds they have a youtube video with an expert engineer explaining exactly how humans built it.

Probably helps that younger people are less religious. Hard to buy into fringe stuff with a supernatural woo element to it when you don't believe in the supernatural.

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Jason Colavito link
10/9/2018 04:19:27 pm

I'm not sure that's entirely the case. To a certain extent, they have also grown up in a world where "fringe" interpretations of history are ubiquitous and are simply accepted by the media and many others without question. Remember, today's college students will have had "Ancient Aliens" on their TVs almost literally as long as they can remember--since they were in elementary school. There is no need to be interested in these ideas to a particular degree because they are just background noise.

Doc Rock
10/9/2018 09:09:40 pm

My impression, based on directly interacting with a lot of college students at several large institutions over the last decade, is that many view Ancient Aliens type stuff as campy entertainment rather than passively accepting it as legitimate sources of information. In much the same way, professional wrestling is ubiquitous in pop culture, but I doubt that the typical teenager takes it seriously. On the other hand, 35 years ago there was no shortage of otherwise normal kids who were willing to come to blows if you stated that Jerry Lawlor hadn't really been paralyzed in that match with Grizzly Smith only to have a miracle recovery in time for the next episode of Saturday afternoon wrestling.


Doc Rock
10/9/2018 09:24:46 pm

I should add that if I started discussing Ancient Aliens with a lot of my middle age blue collar friends who still don't even know how to turn on a computer, it is pretty common to get some sort of "well, there must be something to all that stuff if it is on TV." On the other hand my teenage son would just do a ten seconds google search along the lines of "is ancient aliens accurate" and then show you the results page which starts off with this site.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-idiocy-fabrications-and-lies-of-ancient-aliens-86294030/

Deodand
10/10/2018 04:36:39 am

Sadly they while they don't buy the Ancient Aliens claims they will swallow anything related Afrocentrism, which has been taught in schools since the 1980s in a misguided attempt to appear 'relevant'.

One of these days Jason should have a look at the YouTube published series Hidden Colors which mixes legitimate social commentators (Who I suspect didn't know how their footage was going to be used.) with claims that all culture and knowledge in the world originated in West Africa.

Doc Rock
10/10/2018 09:46:32 am

Afrocentrism hasn't really come up in my discussions with students, even in classes where up to half the students are African Americans. My experience, in college education, is that Afrocentrism is pretty marginal, at least at the institutions where I have worked over the last 25 years. I'm sure one could find examples of teachers pushing Afrocentrism in grade school/high school, but I would be surprised if it is widespread.

But that depends on how one defines Afrocentrism. For some, it is the over-the-top claims, generally with little or no evidence, that anything of importance developed in Africa. For others, it is any effort to refute the claims that up until the white folks arrived, Africa was just a bunch of people running around in grass skirts trying to spear their neighbor and throw them in a stew pot. The fact that a lot of people push the latter narrative even in the face of a mile-long bibliography of published work that supports it perhaps gives a reason of why some people are attracted to Afrocentrism even in the extreme form.

Machala
10/9/2018 06:33:12 pm

JockoBadger,
I'm a 73 year old curmudgeonly grandfather (great-grandfather actually ).

You might just as well have been describing my 23 year old grandson, as your boys. I based a lot of my observations on him, his pals up in the States, and the young people I am in daily contact with down here in South America.

My grandchildren here are too young yet to make any judgements. Although "Ancient Aliens" and all the other HC shows are broadcast on History Channel Spanish Language. The 13 year old has watched AA and thinks Giorgio Tsoukalos & Co. are weird and the show "pretty lame" ( an gringoism he's picked up in high school ).

While my grandson generation has grown up surrounded with all of the fringe hype and hoopla, it doesn't seem to have made any impression on them. They're more interested in electronic gaming and in electronics than in history or psuedo-science.

Which brings me to another point. Younger people DO NOT READ. They will not sit down and wade through some hoary tome to research something. The majority will read blogs, postings, short articles etc. But you're not going to get the average 20 to 30 something to read "Ulysses".

Why learn to read and write a language when you have Google Translate ? Why wade through some lengthy treatise on the Mound Builders of Ohio Valley when a quick Google Search will give them an "accurate" (?) synopsis. Their live are too busy and time too short to waste time reading or watching something that has no immediate impact on their lives.

These kids aren't spending time on Facebook, Whatsapp, or Instagram posting pictures of food and cute kittens. Selfies ? Fer sure, because they are wrapped up in themselves and their day to day existence -which DOES INCLUDE social and environmental activism !

BTW. A little grandfatherly brag. The 23 year old turned down a very lucrative position with DARPA for reason of conscience.

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V
10/9/2018 06:55:16 pm

This is only partially correct at best. Most of us do most of our reading online--and the reason articles are most of our research is because when we're taught to do research, we're also taught that anything more than five years old is "not current enough." Books are seldom "current" for the purposes of research, as secondary sources, according to what we're taught. But the Illiad and the Oddessy are still often read...on kindle and Nook and in web browsers. Seriously, social media IS reading, you know--it's not like it's all audio recordings!

AmericanCool"Disco"Dan
10/9/2018 07:37:13 pm

The Odyssey ≠ "Ulysses". Hummel from Alcatraz, out.

V
10/9/2018 07:54:34 pm

My bad. I don't particularly care for most modern "literature" because living real life is depressing enough, so I automatically went to the origins of the name Ulysses instead. My reasoning still stands; there are in fact both Kindle and Nook editions of "Ulysses" by James Joyce for those who enjoy that kind of thing. More likely to find something like 1984, Animal Farm, or The Handmaid's Tale on a Millennial device, though--which is DIFFERENT literature, not lesser literature.

Machala
10/9/2018 08:24:25 pm

V

Practically my entire "library" is electronic. Almost all my books are stored on either my tablet or my notepad or on pen drives.Time, space, and travel forced me to either sell or donate my hardbound and paperback book library many years ago.<P>
Although I miss the smell and feel of "real" books, I must say that I love the ease and portability of my electric library. My tablet, with its extended memory chip, is used solely for reading and storing books and research papers.

Joe Scales
10/9/2018 09:07:53 pm

Don't let things get you down V.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJUhlRoBL8M

Jockobadger
10/16/2018 12:19:33 pm

Hey Machala,

Thanks for the thoughtful comment - and the rest of you! I'm an inveterate reader. Have been since I was a kid. Don't watch tv and never really did aside from some news and football. I encouraged both of my boys to read and they do, but the younger one, I'm delighted to say, is much like me. He reads books, both "analog" and electronic. There is some hope. I love the comments. I'm still very puzzled by the "impact" comments though.

Frank
10/9/2018 02:26:52 pm

Jason,

We are awaiting on Mr. T Franke to release his book on Atlantis in Sicily. That should give you at least 20,000 words of criticism in any of the 6 languages you utilize. But we are not holding our breath, as the promise of coming is long standing. But in the meantime you may have a chance at 400,000 words of criticism in English with the book being put forth by Mr. Tony O'Connell, as I believe he only knows English. Oct is the month that his book on Atlantis is to be available to the public. I know that you know him, and he knows you.

For those that don't, Tony runs his own website that contains just about anything anyone wants to know about Atlantis, and those that have had something to say about it. A visit to his home page has the announcement and the title of his book. http://atlantipedia.ie/samples/

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Campblor
10/9/2018 06:21:48 pm

Was the lamp Alien in origin?

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Terry Melanson link
10/9/2018 08:50:43 pm

Perhaps they are finishing up books before Christmas.

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E.P. Grondine
10/10/2018 10:18:05 am

Hi Jason -
Perhaps all of the publishing houses are reeling from Trump's election. Aside from that, the Holocene Start Impact Events are hitting what you think of as the "fringe":

Graham Hancock:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILp3Ph96U14

Andrew Collins:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCs4QKa3alc

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Jim
10/10/2018 11:51:11 am

You don't think of Graham Hancock as fringe ?? Perhaps you view Hancock as legit ? Alrighty then.

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AmericanCool"Disco"Dan
10/10/2018 12:43:01 pm

Sentence 1: Thanks for decoding the article for us Chief! Profound reading skills there, I don't care what people say.

Sentence 2: Did anyone expect that Impact Events would NOT be brought into this?

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E.P. Grondine
10/11/2018 09:11:15 am

Both of you clowns have forgotten that I wrote THE book on impact events in the Americas, which came out in 2006.

(Used prices generally hover around $20 - buy a copy if you see it cheaper. With hundreds of pages of too small type, not enough pictures, and too many typos at the end, the book is not a page turner, and will take you about a month and a half to read very slowly. Generally, it is enjoyed by people of Native American ancestry, an entirely too small market. It is also used on a post graduate level in anthropology and geology.)

I am looking forward to meeting with Mr. Collins, as I think he does great work.While Collins is working with Swiderians and Denisovians, I think that what he is looking for is advanced hominids in the Black Sea area, whose range now lies submerged.

X mt DNA is one of their markers, in fact.

I have already briefly run into Mr. Hancock, and I hope that we will have time for some very good conversations in the future.

Jim
10/11/2018 11:54:42 am

You writing a boring book does not somehow make Graham Hancock legitimate.
Your comment makes you look like a complete fool.
Calling people clowns is no way to conduct a dialogue, grow up.

E.P. Grondine
10/11/2018 04:02:40 pm

Whatever his previous sins, and I for one would not advocate the use of DMT by very many people, if Mr. Hancock succeeds in raising public awareness of the impact hazard, then his earlier sins will certainly be absolved.

You ever try writing and selling a "fun" book about the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people?

Americancool"Disco"dan
10/11/2018 04:13:51 pm

Who's the publisher?

"The only reward is that me and some of my friends efforts have contributed to saving millions of lives."
https://www.dailygrail.com/blog/did-comet-impact-kill-the-mammoths/#comment-44341

Chief save heapum people.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/j.1945-5100.2007.tb00585.x

Then there's this thread, where Chief tries out for coxswain ("stroke, stroke, stroke"):
http://archaeologica.boardbot.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2414&start=60

Jim
10/11/2018 04:47:55 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCCbP9I4nHw

Joe Scales
10/11/2018 12:59:25 pm

Impact craters are simply stone holes on a greater scale...

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Robert Girard link
10/12/2018 09:15:09 pm

Jason,

OBELISK - A Tale of Spiritual Warfare is a self-published bit of fringe/alternative history involving the Knights Templar, the Vatican, and select Native American tribes.
William Mann, author of many books on the Knights Templar asked for permission to share the volume with his Freemason/Knights Templar friends.
It is written combining the styles of Dan Brown, Tim LaHaye and Umberto Eco, but told in a Hardy Boys vernacular so it would be understandable by the uninitiated reader.
If you are bored while waiting for the next nutcase, this one will have you searching the internet every other page to discount what I say. Good Luck.

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Robert Girard link
10/12/2018 09:19:40 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut4pWe5mgYM

OBELISK - A Tale of Spiritual Warfare by Robert Girard

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Jim
10/13/2018 02:03:04 am

https://www.kobo.com/us/en/ebook/obelisk-a-tale-of-spiritual-warfare

" That is, until God stepped in and punk-slapped him back to reality. "

Hahahahahaha.

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Robert Ezekiel Taleteller
10/15/2018 08:04:39 am

Obelisk-A Tale of Spiritual Warfare reveals the true origin of the Anti-God Religion we know as Freemasonry, and that’s just the beginning!!!
Hang on to your hats kids, or should I say Masonic Aprons...I’m guessing that just like the character in Obelisk named Dismas, the realities of Freemasonry will leave many “ brothers of the Craft” rethinking their membership. This unassuming “fringe” novel blew my mind-and I helped to write it!
I’m looking forward to hearing your “take away” after you read it.
-Robert

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Jim
10/15/2018 04:45:33 pm

Seems more Mel Brooks than Dan Brown, is it a comedy ?

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Robert Girard
10/15/2018 06:25:09 pm

Jim,

Don't know if you are seriously questioning the tone and tenor of this book because of your previous statement about the 'punk slapping back to reality' of Michael Duncan.

This is the 'voice' of Michael Duncan, the character.

It is by no means a comedy. Should you choose to read it, you will learn it is Dan Brown, Tim LaHaye, and Umberto Eco told in a style that the least learned can understand. It is dead serious.

Four bucks won't break you to find out. If it will, let me know and I will send you a complimentary copy. I will wager you don't know half of the history covered in this book and you will indeed be searching the net every other page.

No need to start a flame war, until you read the book that is.

Best,
Robert Girard

Jim
10/15/2018 07:16:07 pm

You pat yourself on the back by claiming to be the equal of Dan Brown, Tim LaHaye, and Umberto Eco ?
Not even close !

"A long haired Indian doesn’t walk away from a gun fight in a biker bar, without God’s help. He put himself in the wrong place at the right time for his death wish to be fulfilled. His life was hell on earth and he wanted out. That is, until God stepped in and punk-slapped him back to reality."

https://www.kobo.com/us/en/ebook/obelisk-a-tale-of-spiritual-warfare

Give me a break.,,," I will wager you don't know half of the history covered in this book",,,, this garbage is not history !
,,," history involving the Knights Templar, the Vatican, and select Native American tribes.",, this is nothing more than badly written, completely unsubstantiated crap, regurgitated from the complete nonsense written by the likes of Scott Wolter and William Mann.
And no, I am not interested in reading any more of this tripe. The synopsis in the link I included is quite enough for me.

AmericanCool"Disco"Dan
10/15/2018 07:09:28 pm

Michael Duncan, half Scottish and half Native American, should not have survived. A long haired Indian doesn’t walk away from a gun fight in a biker bar, without God’s help. He put himself in the wrong place at the right time for his death wish to be fulfilled. His life was hell on earth and he wanted out. That is, until God stepped in and punk-slapped him back to reality. God had a plan for Duncan and it would take a hard nosed, fearless son of a bitch like him to pull it off. The bikers were a piece of cake compared to the spiritual warfare he now found himself engaged in.

When a terrorist attempts to blow up the obelisk known as Cleopatra’s Needle in Central Park, New York City, Glenn Giordano steps in to tell Homeland Security the answer to the riddle on the suicide bombers vest. Giordano, a researcher of bible prophecy and the occult, is Duncan’s business partner and long time friend. He was accustomed to finding unexpected twists and turns in his research of occult secret societies but nothing prepared him to find his friend Michael in the middle of a tale involving the Knights Templar and black magic.

Demolishing an old building, Duncan and Giordano discover a stone box containing cryptic clues to the location of the fabled Holy Grail Chalice once left in the care of the Knights Templar. Adversaries have been tipped off to their discovery and have dispatched a black ops henchman to obtain the contents of the box, at any cost.

Guided by an unseen hand, Michael and Glenn stay one step ahead in a race to find the chalice, the trigger mechanism that would start God’s apocalyptic time clock ticking. The compelling salvation story inside the treasure hunt story reveals ancient Egyptian idolatry in contemporary society that will stay on the readers mind long after they have finished reading the novel.

OBELISK - A Tale of Spiritual Warfare combines fact, fiction and a frightening level of evil in this apocalyptic conspiracy thriller.
________________
Sounds like crap, sorry.

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Robert Girard
10/15/2018 07:48:14 pm

JIM,

No where did I claim to be an equal with these accomplished writers. I said it was written using their 'style' and I stand by that.

What 'garbage' is not history? None of the history contained is even mentioned let alone being unsubstantiated. Which historical point did you read that you can say is garbage?

Condemning a book without reading it says more about you than the quality of the book. I will send you a hard copy to burn in the public square if you choose. That's easier than putting forth a cogent argument.

For what it's worth, William Mann and I have agreed to disagree with much of what is in this book. Scott Wolter and Mann are both Freemasons and I don't have much good to say about the Brotherhood.

AMERICANCOOL"DISCO"DAN

No need to apologize for thinking it is crap. To each his own.

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AmericanCool"Disco"Dan
10/15/2018 08:35:10 pm

I wasn't apologizing, I was saying I was sorry it was crap.

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Jim
10/15/2018 10:15:59 pm

"What 'garbage' is not history? None of the history contained is even mentioned let alone being unsubstantiated. Which historical point did you read that you can say is garbage?"

I watched the U tube you linked to. It is chock full of the usual pseudo nonsense.

"A Tale of Spiritual Warfare is a self-published bit of fringe/alternative history "

" A Tale of Spiritual Warfare combines fact, fiction and a frightening level of evil in this apocalyptic conspiracy thriller."

Why would I argue a historical point in a fictional book ?
How the hell an I supposed to know what you consider fact or fiction ?

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Robert Girard
10/16/2018 09:24:50 am

Combining fact with fiction is a common practice that Dan Brown uses as does LaHaye and Eco.

The best example of this type of 'faction', and why it is used, is in the two books written by Malachi Martin that tell the same story. The non-fiction book is called, KEYS OF THIS BLOOD, and then he tells the same story in a fictionalized account called, WINDSWEPT HOUSE. Martin gives fictional names to existing people/clergy and tells their story without libelous lawsuits. If you read both books, you know who is who.

It is to the reader to learn, by fact checking, where the fiction ends and the non-fiction begins and then you would argue the historical points.

Our book is different. It has an eschatological theme as well as a historical theme. But the most important take away is this statement on the book jacket.

To the reader:

OBELISK- A Tale of Spiritual Warfare is not about what one must do to be saved. It is about what one must not do to avoid the wrath of God in the coming New World Order.

Robert Girard
January 2017

And that one thing you must not do, is to bend your knee to the obelisk and the spirit is represents. If this is not familiar to you, you are the one the book is written for.


cladking link
10/16/2018 12:20:58 pm

They never made a bus short enough for me. With its wheels in a line it'd have fallen over anyway.

If you don't lick the window right back, or at least feel it to be sure it's warm, then you don't know for certain it's no reflection.

Reality today is just a shared opinion, a consensus, achieved by an uneasy truce between seven billion different beliefs. It is a mental model and each is much different than the next.

It's hardly a wonder that there are so many crazy ideas to keep Jason Colavito busy forever.

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Bezalel
10/16/2018 01:30:01 pm

@Robert G.

Hmmmmmmmmm
How many times I have covered this ground in many other realms.

When history is viewed through the extraordinarily limiting lens of Religion (including those which promote "Eschatalogical Christianity" where "spiritual warfare" is a real thing), all kinds of blind fallacy arises.

I should know, I was there; a believer for years and I distrusted "Freemasonry", The "New World Order", "Illuminism" etc

Then I actually s-t-u-d-i-e-d Freemasonry, beyond those books written by nutjobs William T Still, Walter Martin, Malachi Martin, William Guy Carr, Lady Queensborough, John Daniels, Nesta Webster, John Robison, Cardinal Caro Rodriguez, Augustin Barruel, Borge Jensen, Michael Howard, Randall Baer, Ralph Epperson, Constance Cumby, Gary Kah, Ted Marrs, Jim Marrs, and on and on and on. Bottom of the barrel; actually the slime underneath the barrel. 100 more relevant authors/books to read (and STUDY) is still not enough.

Still have these in my Library. They remind me of my slowly disappearing ignorance.

Study the subject in depth and study your own Bible in depth: Hebrew, Greek, Egyptian (yes). Right now you are skimming the surface.

You must come out of your psychological malaise. It is possible without going to hell. I'm still here. Hell is in the brain. Please stop trying to poison young minds against freedom, greatest principle of all.

The heads of the Catholic Church (all her theological daughters too) has hated, LOATHED Freemasonry for centuries, because FM steadfastly protects individual religious freedom, the CC's true and greatest enemy. Some of them created the revolution, the US Constitution + Bill of Rights, greatest docs in Western History over a millennium. There is no such thing as the Wrath of God, outside the wrath of the Church.

I've heard all the standard Christian responses to this kind of admonishment, so just...don't. All are illegitimate and vastly uninformed.

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Robert Taleteller
10/16/2018 01:58:20 pm

Bezalel
I have studied and read everything you have.
You are exactly the person I hoped would read the whole novel.
I want to hear your comments after you have read it cover to cover.
I’m learning more every day, and would like to have the opportunity to learn from your perspective.
If you are sure it would be a waste of your money I will send you a copy for free-I would value your comments that much.
You sound knowledgeable on the subject.
-Robert

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Bezalel
10/16/2018 07:48:33 pm

Robert

Alas, if you had caught me 25-30 years ago, I may have considered it; however that was about the time I realized fiction was an utter waste of my time, for what passed for non-fiction was wildly "you-can't-make-this-stuff-up" off the rails.

Never went back

2 exceptions:
Jorge Luis Borges (short stories)
Childhood's End by Clarke

Quite literally the only two fictions I have consumed since 1988/9 (books I mean); the former multiple times, the latter at least twice.

Way too far up the ladder now to start descending, sorry. I can't reach or fathom who I was 5 years ago, let alone 5-6 deaths ago.

"Any man who thinks the same way at 30 as he did when 25 has wasted 5 years of his life" (paraphrased) - Mohammed Ali

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AmericanCool"Disco"Dan
10/16/2018 09:23:18 pm

Crap like this is a surefire way to keep readers away, Mr. I'm-as-Good-as-Dan-Brown (who's not all that good, SMFH):

"Michael Duncan, half Scottish and half Native American, should not have survived. A long haired Indian doesn’t walk away from a gun fight in a biker bar, without God’s help. He put himself in the wrong place at the right time for his death wish to be fulfilled. His life was hell on earth and he wanted out. That is, until God stepped in and punk-slapped him back to reality. God had a plan for Duncan and it would take a hard nosed, fearless son of a bitch like him to pull it off. The bikers were a piece of cake compared to the spiritual warfare he now found himself engaged in."

G. Gordon Liddy craps out better crap in his diaper.

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