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Why Does "Western Civilization" Seem to Mean "Whiteness" to the Alt-Right?

10/10/2017

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​L. A. Marzulli is asking for money to pay the costs of his weekly radio show because YouTube won’t let him sell commercials in the recordings he posts to their site. This is because his videos are about Islamic terrorism, mass shootings, and other topics explicitly prohibited from commercial sponsorship under YouTube’s very clear terms of service. However, Marzulli has spun YouTube’s longstanding ban on monetizing videos about current events, violence, and terror as an attack on conservatism. He implied a link between YouTube and “Antifa” (anti-fascists) and claimed that they were engaged in a war on conservatism. Oh, and he asked for cash money: “We are now looking for sponsors for Acceleration Radio or those of you who would consider donating on a monthly basis to help with the production costs. We have already had one sponsor—the makers of an amazing cleaner, JINGOS—offer to help.” Jingos is a brand of pet urine cleaning products. Insert your own joke here, and be sure to avoid Jingos. Any company that would sponsor hate radio to sell cleaning spray doesn’t deserve patronage. I do not begrudge a radio show looking for patronage or sponsorship; everyone needs to pay the bills. I do, however, dispute the idea that it is a conspiracy when he does not get the money he thinks he deserves.
​Marzulli’s bitterness stems from his upset that he isn’t on the receiving end of the web of financial support that makes rightwing propaganda such a lucrative industry. As Buzzfeed News detailed this week, a network of very rich conservative businesspeople pump obscene amounts of money into fringe rightwing outlets and orchestrate their proliferation with the purpose of creating alt-right propaganda that appeals to white nationalists, racists, and Neo-Nazis. Buzzfeed examined a trove of emails that lay out the operations of Breitbart News, and the machinations that turned provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos into an alt-right celebrity. The three most important takeaways from the trove of emails are:

  • There was extensive coordination between white supremacists and Breitbart on one hand and Breitbart and the Trump team on the other.
  • Breitbart employees knew they were dealing in Nazi-tinged material, intentionally cloaked the worst excesses to make it palatable to the masses, and made constant reference, serious and joking, to Hitler, Nazis, anti-Semitism, etc.
  • Steve Bannon, the former Trump adviser and current head of Breitbart, believed that such material was key to winning the “war” for Western civilization.
 
I’m not particularly interested in the sordid story of Yiannopoulos’s riff on Anne Coulter’s schtick, but I am interested in the repeated claim from him and Bannon and their friends that they are not white supremacists but rather “Western supremacists.” This is the same claim, you will recall, that ancient astronaut theorist and Pan-Aryan chauvinist Jason Reza Jorjani made, in different words, in describing why he disassociated himself from Richard Spencer’s brand of white ethnonationalism.
 
Bannon wrote to Yiannopoulos that minor culture war stories weren’t of interest to him. Affecting the spelling of half-educated teenager, he expressed his view that there is a war for the heart of Western civilization: “Dude---we r in a global existentialist war where our enemy EXISTS in social media and u r jerking yourself off w/ marginalia!!!! U should be OWNING this conversation because u r everything they hate!!! Drop your toys, pick up your tools and go help save western civilization.” But what, precisely, does Western civilization mean to these people?
 
What fascinates me is the limited conception they have of Western civilization. In many respects, the portrait that the emails reveal is of a group of powerful people who have embraced the Nazi pseudohistory of civilization, who see the West as essentially America, Britain, and Germany, united in Teutonic-Anglo-Saxon reverie and defined by violence. They obsess over these countries’ wars against Muslims, but seem largely indifferent to Christianity except as a historic element of the West.
 
Theirs is a highly negative view of culture, made worse by the fact that they feel that the only defense of the West is to attack everything that they perceive as being anti-Western, as though the West were not always a hybrid of various peoples, beliefs, and practices from all over the world. Just to take the obvious: Christianity was not born in Europe.
 
But it is the negative vision they have of “saving” the West that amazes me. They do not celebrate Christianity or Christendom, but rather attack Muslims and joke about gassing Jews. They do not honor Western art, literature, music, philosophy, or cuisine; instead, they strategize over whether they can promote “a legit racist” instead of more subtle appeals to pseudoscientific ideas about differential IQ by race. Once we see a discussion of “European identity and the Western greats,” presumably referring to ethnonationalism and Western culture, but it occurs only in the context of defining white Europeans against brown Muslim immigrants. What makes the West great, white nationalist and Yiannoupolos colleague Devin Saucier claims, is the “high IQ” of “white” countries over their black and brown counterparts.
 
How did we end up in a place where “Western civilization” is becoming a code word for “whiteness” among those who want to be racist without seeming so? It reduces the whole history of the West to racism in the service of imagining that white men are synonymous with civilization. I couldn’t help but contrast this form of race-tinged activism with the equally acerbic but much more urbane Western advocacy in the New Criterion. This magazine is just as right-wing, but it promotes its conservative cause by celebrating the best of Western culture (albeit with plenty of well-heeled jabs at liberal academics) rather than using Western culture as a proxy for racism. What does it say about Breitbart’s—and Bannon’s—love of the “West” that their view of it is essentially a negative, merely the opposite of the Muslim, brown, foreign East? Someone, though, needs to take back Western civilization from those who would make it a synonym for whiteness, and those who would make belief in its ideals synonymous with reactionary politics. 
48 Comments
Joe Scales
10/10/2017 09:59:42 am

From Buzzfeed:

"Breitbart courted the alt-right — the insurgent, racist right-wing movement that helped sweep Donald Trump to power."

Wonder if they have numbers for how many racists actually did the sweeping. From the numbers I've seen, it was white voters in swing states that had previously voted for Obama who swept Trump to power. But hey, politics as usual...

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Americanegro IS Joe Scales
10/10/2017 11:55:14 am

I bet Snopes has the answer! :)

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Joe Scales
10/10/2017 01:35:08 pm

"Americanegro IS Joe Scales"

Surprisingly, Snopes has this listed as "unconfirmed"...

Americanegro Just Act Naturally
10/10/2017 01:45:26 pm

So you see how high it goes!

Doc Rock
10/10/2017 12:59:48 pm

Clinton's loss of at least three key states was influenced by Jill Stein winning the second largest number of Green Party votes in the history of the party. A senior member of the Clinton campaign staff even partially acknowledged this in an NPR interview. The black voter turnout in Ohio was significantly lower than it was in the previous two elections. The millennial turn out, while solid, just wasn't what the Democrats had expected. These factors contributed to the Democrats receiving about 500K fewer votes in 2016 compared to 2012 and 2008. The Republicans on the other hand only received about 200K more votes in 2016 than they did in 2012 and 2008.Trump's watered down 2.0 version of 19th century Nativism certainly did help him in some respects among some components of the white population, but at the same time HRC's problematic past and lack of appeal in general certainly hurt her.

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Joe Scales
10/10/2017 01:28:17 pm

"The Republicans on the other hand only received about 200K more votes in 2016 than they did in 2012 and 2008."

Which included the white voters who previously voted for Obama in swing states which helped sweep Trump into office. It's not like this is even a controversy.

David Bradbury
10/10/2017 01:40:53 pm

"Clinton's loss of at least three key states was influenced by Jill Stein winning the second largest number of Green Party votes in the history of the party."
Or maybe, from a different perspective, Jill Stein's winning the second largest number of Green Party votes in the history of the party was influenced by distaste for Clinton.

Joe Scales
10/10/2017 01:47:06 pm

I know. You don't want to realize it. You can blame Jill Stein. You can blame "the Russians". You can blame Bernie. You'd just rather see it as a bunch of racists, or Trump's "base", as you will, with torches in the night sweeping him to victory. But coloring a good portion of this country as racists isn't going to bring them to your side, and it's a strategy that's going to fail the Democrats again should they stick with it.

Doc Rock
10/10/2017 01:49:34 pm

David B: I agree, hence the second half of my last sentence.

Americanegraudiophile
10/10/2017 03:59:12 pm

"but at the same time HRC's problematic past and lack of appeal in general certainly hurt her."

Americans didn't want four or eight years of listening to that walking bird's nest SHRIEKING AT THEM. It wasn't her voice, as the stupid hideous vile lying snailtrail whined in her ghost-written book, it was her habit of SHRIEKING INTO THE MICROPHONE. As my late uncle used to say "Screw that noise!"

Doc Rock
10/10/2017 04:08:41 pm

Indeed! That's why I am skeptical of narratives that reduce Trump's win to one in which unprecedented hordes of AR-15 waving racist rednecks poured forth from the trailer parks to flood the voting booths.

David Bradbury
10/11/2017 03:42:06 am

2016 exposed a basic flaw of the Executive President system, you have to vote on the whole package. Both politics and personality (including physical traits) have to appeal to the same large subset of the population.

Not the Comte de Saint Germain
10/10/2017 01:09:22 pm

I think the racists were a more significant factor in the Republican primaries than the general election.

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Riley V
10/11/2017 01:42:08 am

Agreed. Trump's organization was able to consolidate about 30% of the Conservative primary voters early in the process. Over time those GOP candidates left (16?, 18?) fought over the rest to be the candidate with over 10%.

Mr. Trump is still polling at about 40%. The solid 10% of America who are subtly racist back him, as well as the maybe 1% of Americans who are White Nationalists.

By the way, when did those people of Spanish descent stop being a portion of "Western Civilization"? Not to mention the West Africas who were kidnapped and forced into slavery beginning 500 years ago.

Joe Scales
10/11/2017 10:01:42 am

"Mr. Trump is still polling at about 40%. The solid 10% of America who are subtly racist back him, as well as the maybe 1% of Americans who are White Nationalists."

I hope you wiped well after pulling out those stats. It is utter stupidity to assume racists can't be Democrats.

crainey
10/10/2017 02:35:16 pm

Even if the white supremacy vote was not itself enough to flip the election in Trumps favor, the fact that he ran an overtly racist campaign and it was not a deal breaker for mainstream Republicans, speaks volumes about the party.

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Americanegrealamerican
10/10/2017 03:49:56 pm

It didn't hurt that the day after he made his "they're murderers, they're rapists" remark an illegal immigrant stabbed a woman to death in San Francisco. My amigos from the south just couldn't be cool for one day...

Hey, what ever happened to that guy whose video caused Benghazi? I really hope that guy got punished! He was a very bad man!

Joe Scales
10/10/2017 03:54:35 pm

That's a common theme, expressed before by our host. But you're still foisting racism on Trump supporters, albeit indirectly. Again, it's not a strategy that's going to work for Democrats. Believe it or not, you don't have to be a racist to believe Trump isn't one himself. None of his Democrat friends believed him to be racist. That is until he ran as a Republican. But there ya go. Politics at work.

Americanegro Verdad
10/10/2017 06:14:25 pm

I ain't foisting sh|t, yo. I'm pointing out he was right. The day after he said it one of them turned out to be a murderer. Where I live MS-13 kills people whenever they damn well feel like it and cops, being boobs for the most part are stumped.

Sadly the gummint fails to focus on active criminals rather than people who are only criminals because of their status. Because gummint or as I like to call it Babylon like most cops is a boob.

Joe Scales
10/10/2017 10:11:51 pm

The foisting was in response to CRainey. When I was posting it, I hadn't realized I had already answered him as you, or I would have quoted him before doing so. We square?

Americanegrophrenic
10/11/2017 12:30:07 am

I guess so yo. Just between you and you, with all our my multiple identities it's like I'm every Brady in the opening of The Brady Bunch and I'm not sure what day it is anymore but I'm DAMN sure the Templars are to blame.

OCS
10/10/2017 09:58:11 pm

As I started to read your comment, I was sure it was going to be a joke..... "How many racists does it take to elect a president?...."

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Joe Scales
10/10/2017 10:22:04 pm

If this blog is any authority... then all of them.

David Meadows link
10/10/2017 11:20:20 am

Do you now see how 'white statuary' fits in this world view?

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crainey
10/10/2017 12:49:08 pm

JINGOS website claims it is "effective on blood, vomit, urine, fecal." You know, when the GREAT WAR FOR WESTERN CIVILIZATION finally arrives on my living room carpet, this stuff could come in handy!

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Kal
10/10/2017 01:16:52 pm

Marzulli's site is not being flagged for content. I have checked the status of this site using online checkers that show the rating and ad sense of the site. It appears that since it debuted in 2012, it has a B-, 75,000 some subscribers, and 440,00 some views. Since he has over 10,000 subscribers, and his 1K estimated ad rev dips off in October, it would appear that whatever algorithm bots he is using to call in those 75,000 subscribers have been recalculated by google into his real numbers, less than 10,000 real subscribers, and not eligible for ad sense. That is why in the past 6 months he has made dollars, not thousands of dollars.

You can by subscribers from gray sites and fake the subscribers, to get more ads, but now the algorithms find that.

If he was trying being pulled for content, his channel would be blocked from YouTube, and judging by his hateful but not quite hate speech, it should. I can pass this along to YouTube.

A simple search for his channel revealed this, but being old and a Faux News watching fringe, he probably doesn't know how that works. He does know how to use the algorithm, or his people do.

He has only 220 active videos, none of which appear to have been pulled. It would not be surprising if he pulled some himself and said, look what you did, YT.

Not that YT doesn't do underhanded things about their strikes now and then, but this guy's site does deserve some strict scrutiny. It's not good.

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Americanegro Not on the Non-existent Spectrum
10/10/2017 01:57:00 pm

Are you obtuse or do you really not get that he's complaining he can't have ads on his Youtube videos due to their content?

"L. A. Marzulli is asking for money to pay the costs of his weekly radio show because YouTube won’t let him sell commercials in the recordings he posts to their site."

What is your major malfunction?

While that question about your issues lingers in the air, Marzulli could become an Amazon Partner, Harry's Razors and Boll & Branch Sheets, Sleep Number Beds and other companies advertise on podunk podcasts all the time. He could find someone to throw their money away if he tried.

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Jim
10/10/2017 01:35:44 pm

Jingos:

"Have you seen the new Jingos at the store?!"
-"WHAT?! You're racist?"
"Racist? I love Asian flavors!"
-"oOo, you mean Jingos! crackers! Yeah, they are delicious!"
"Let's go gets some!"

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Jingo

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Hugo
10/10/2017 02:34:58 pm

Western Civilization sure seems to be represented mostly by white people to me.

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Not the Comte de Saint Germain
10/10/2017 03:27:06 pm

First of all, define your terms. I'll assume Western civilization means the culture of Europe and places like the Americas and Australia that draw upon it. Even then, there are ambiguous places like India and Japan that have been massively influenced by European culture, despite having a mostly native population and retaining many of the customs they had before the colonial era.

The definition of "white" varies even more. A hundred years ago, Jews, Italians, and Eastern Europeans weren't considered white, or, at least, not members of the highest racial group. Fifty years before that, neither were the Irish. Hispanics in the United States, despite being largely descended from Europeans (with varying amounts of Native American and often African ancestry), are usually regarded as non-white in the United States today.

Then there are the category of people who have never been allowed into the "white" club, African Americans. They played a huge role in the culture of the United States (especially in inventing nearly all the genres of music that originated here) even before they had full legal equality, and they're increasingly visible despite still being subject to systemic discrimination. And because of immigration, non-white people's cultural presence is increasing everywhere, including Europe.

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Americanegro Tintin
10/10/2017 03:42:04 pm

Tant pis pour l'Europe!

Doc Rock
10/10/2017 06:28:12 pm

A hundred years ago it wasn't uncommon to see Italians enumerated as "mulatto" on the US population census. Given the logic of the time, however, it did make some degree of sense.

Americanegreyeofthetiger
10/10/2017 06:34:03 pm

"The definition of "white" varies even more. A hundred years ago, Jews, Italians, and Eastern Europeans weren't considered white, or, at least, not members of the highest racial group. Fifty years before that, neither were the Irish. Hispanics in the United States, despite being largely descended from Europeans (with varying amounts of Native American and often African ancestry), are usually regarded as non-white in the United States today."


-- Uh, yeah no to most of that. All the groups you mentioned could go where my kind couldn't. And the gummint called Robert Zimmerman a "white Hispanic". In fact "Hispanic" became a race for census purposes only under Nixon.

Not the Comte de Saint Germain
10/10/2017 07:14:36 pm

"All the groups you mentioned could go where my kind couldn't."

They obviously weren't considered black and weren't subject to the same level of legal discrimination. (That said, in the 19th century it wasn't unusual to compare the Irish to black people and apes: https://thomasnastcartoons.com/irish-catholic-cartoons/irish-stereotype/ .) They were still looked down upon by the nation's WASP elite, and scientific racists devised all kinds of criteria for labeling those groups as a separate race from Anglo-Saxons. As immigrant groups integrated into American society, they gradually came to be considered more or less the same as Anglo-Saxons, and the term "white" was generally used for all of them.

At the same time, the division between "white" and "Hispanic" (or, as sometimes appears on forms, "non-Hispanic white" and "Hispanic") is fairly new. As immigration from Latin America increased, Hispanics were more likely to be seen as a separate "race." Something similar is happening with people from the Middle East, who may have their own category in the next census. They weren't even on Americans' radar as an immigrant group a few decades ago, but they're subject to increasing discrimination now, though in that case the discrimination is driven at least as much by Islamic terrorism as by increasing numbers of immigrants.

In short, definitions of race shift over time for a variety of reasons, but they're always artificial.

Amerinegrolatto
10/10/2017 09:00:09 pm

"A hundred years ago it wasn't uncommon to see Italians enumerated as "mulatto" on the US population census."

Prove it.

Doc Rock
10/10/2017 09:37:49 pm

A few examples of Italians being enumerated as "mulatto" or "quadroon" can be found in the federal population census manuscript data for:

1910 St. Martinville (St. Martin Parish) Louisiana

1910 Milford (Winnebago County) Illinois

1920 Angelina County Justice Precinct 1, Texas

1920 Muncy (Lycoming county) Pennsylvania

Doc Rock
10/10/2017 10:11:30 pm

Historically there was prejudice against Italians from southern Italy and Sicily both in the US and to some extent in Italy. This was due to the fact that southern Italians were viewed as mongrels because of "mixing" that is supposed to have occurred during the periods when portions of southern Italy and Sicily were occupied by large numbers of Arabs from North Africa. There was also suspicion that some sub-Saharan "black" blood had slipped into the mix. Hence during the peak of Jim Crow, Italians were sometimes subjected to interesting classifications and darker skinned Italians endured some degree of discrimination in terms of housing, employment, and marriage although it was never legally codified. Eugenicists were quite concerned about the perceived negative impacts of this immigration on the white American population. Their work had some influence on passage of the 1924 Johnson act which greatly reduced the number of immigrants from southern and eastern Europe permitted to enter the US, in particular Italians.

Americanegrolini
10/11/2017 12:47:21 am

Did they actually write down "really Italian but we're gonna say mulatto"?

Not proven.

Doc Rock
10/11/2017 11:06:42 am

The census didn't work that way. The enumerators simply put down a designation such as black, white, or mulatto. There wasn't an accompanying essay to explain things. But it was understood that they were Italian because their birthplace and the birthplaces of their parents were included on the census forms. But, for reason I have already cited they were enumerated as mulatto especially in the 1910 and 1920 censuses. So, yes, there was a sentiment that even though they were from Europe they had to be given a non-white designation because of suspicions about their ancestry or their appearance. Interestingly, in some southern states many Chinese were enumerated as black, mulatto, or colored during Jim Crow. I think that Lucy Cohen wrote about this in her book Chinese in the Post-Civil War South, although there has been more recent work on the experience of Chinese in Mississippi during Jim Crow. At times you also see Hispanics and Native Americans being enumerated as mulatto as well. The same people were often enumerated differently as ideas about "race" and racial classification changed throughout the 20th century.

Americanegrauditor
10/11/2017 03:29:32 pm

Then how did E.P. Grondine's Injun grandmama get enumerated as white? Riddle me that Batman, and try to come up with more than assertions. Links to actual census data would be a start, and yes, the onus is on you.

Doc Rock
10/11/2017 04:34:59 pm

No idea about grondine's granny. Racial classification in the US has been complex, changing, and often contradictory since day one. Wouldn't surprise me to see someone change from Indian to mulatto to white in the course of three enumerations. But back to Italians. I provided pretty detailed info on how you could check primary records which demonstrate that some Italians were enumerated as mulatto. The onus is now on you to look at that stuff and then offer a counter argument if you choose. In fact, based on your comments the onus is on you to do a lot of reading of relevant sources. But I suspect that you won't. But I probably brought this on myself by posting stuff like this so soon after a full moon. So, will just wish you good luck with it if/when you decide to look into the relevant materials and develop a better handle on things.

Only Me
10/10/2017 03:48:57 pm

Last night, I watched the debate between Thomas Smith and Carl Benjamin, aka, Sargon of Akkad at Mythicist Milwaukee's Mythcon. It was supposed to be an interview, but apparently, Smith wasn't interested in conducting one. Anyway, the whole thing from Smith's side of the debate could be summed up as: white people, especially white men, are the problem. Privilege, you know.

If anyone is interested, the video is almost 90 minutes and shows the difference in views of Western civilization between a liberal and a progressive interested in social justice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTFL0wKmsC

There are a lot of limited negative views of the West leading to reactionary politics from both sides of the political spectrum. If either one of the extreme ends wins the "culture war", we'll all see how bad it can get.

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Will
10/10/2017 10:35:14 pm

Gerrymandering, voter oppression, the Comey letter ate into Clinton's slim margin of victory.
One can't dismiss misogyny as well
"Americans didn't want four or eight years of listening to that walking bird's nest SHRIEKING AT THEM."


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Americanegro Truth
10/11/2017 12:44:13 am

It's not misogyny if you find a fishy-smelling drunken walking bird's-nest of a woman who tried to paint one of the women who fellated her husband in his workplace as a lunatic stalker and shrieks into microphones a tad ... distasteful and un-voteworthy.

Her eulogy for Gaddhafi did not help: "We came, we saw, he died! (Cackle!)"

It's also not misogynistic to call Helen Thomas (rot in hell) The Beast-Whore of Lebanon. I'd like to dig her up and NOT have my way with her corpse, just out of spite. Nancy Pelosi on the other hand, seems like a goer. Call me Nancy!

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Joe Scales
10/11/2017 11:16:30 am

And of course being caught colluding with the media and rigging the Democratic primary contest only made her that much more appealing...

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David Bradbury
10/11/2017 03:53:03 am

Margaret Thatcher had the same problem (female vocal folds). She had lots of coaching to teach her how to make effective use of her lowest vocal register.

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Kal
10/11/2017 02:17:39 pm

The boring and racially triggered Marzulli podcast on YouTube is faking his numbers, and the hysteria of his being censored on YT. That is what the longer post was about. No way is he that important, but he believes himself to be. No, I am not going to do anything about it. I don't care if it exists or not. It doesn't bother me he has a podcast, or has others.

Shill-ery won the popular vote, but Trumpet won the electoral college, because he colluded with his base more than she did with her base.

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Nigga
10/12/2017 04:50:56 pm

Niggers they be useless

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