As you know, I’ve been circling back and researching some of the claims I missed during my first pass through America Unearthed. One that has been bothering me is the episode 4 claim that the Norse who allegedly colonized Minnesota in the Middle Ages were giants. Why giants? There are no giant Norse skeletons in Norway, Iceland, or Greenland, so at first blush this claim seems silly. I’ve seen claims of Norse giants going back to the nineteenth century, and it just doesn’t sit right with me. I’ve been looking into it, and I think I see how this weird story came about. The first thread is straightforward. The Vikings landed in the region of New Brunswick and Labrador in Canada and interacted with the Dorset and their successors, the Inuit. These people remembered the Norse as “invulnerable” because they wore armor (unknown to the Inuit), and their myths also called them “giants” because the Norse were several inches taller on average than the diminutive Inuit, whom evolution had selected to be shorter and more compact to retain heat. The relevant myth is recorded in Samuel Robinson’s “Notes on the Coast of Labrador” (1843), in which the Inuit are called by their previous name, the Eskimo (retained by Alaska natives), in an archaic spelling: The Esquimau tradition concerning the Norsemen is clear enough: that they were a gigantic race, of great strength—were very fierce, and delighted to kill people—that they themselves could not be killed by either dart or arrow, which rebounded from their breasts as from a rock. The Esquimaux suppose these giants still to exist, only very far north. (source) However, other scholars have attributed such myths to either Spanish conquistadors or to poetic fancy. So that’s the first thread. The second, I think, derives from Norse sources. Snorri Sturluson records in King Harald’s Saga (ch. 104) that Harald Sigurdsson, known as Hardrada, Viking explorer and King of Norway (as Harald III), stood five ells (7.5 feet) tall. He was rumored to have been among the first to travel to Vinland, now known to have been the area around L’anse-aux-Meadows in New Brunswick, according to one reading of passages in the work of his contemporary, Adam of Bremen. Immediately after describing Vinland as a land of “the best” wine, Adam recorded in the Gesta Hammaburgensis ecclesiae pontificum of 1076 (4.38, or 39 in some editions) that Harald had recently “searched the breadth of the northern ocean in ships.” Another island … is called Vinland because vines grow there naturally, producing the best of wines. That unsown fruits grow there in abundance we have ascertained not from fabulous reports but from the trustworthy relations of the Danes. After this island, habitable land is not to be found in the ocean, but all the regions beyond are filled with impenetrable ice and immense darkness. Of this, Martianus [Marriage of Mercury and Philology 6.666] makes reference as follows: “Beyond Thule,” he says, “the sea is congealed after one day’s voyage.” The most enterprising prince of the Norseman, Harald, recently tried this sea. After he searched the breadth of the northern ocean in ships, at last before their eyes lay the darkening limits of a fading world, and by retracing his steps he only just escaped in safety the vast pit of the abyss. Incidentally, this is also the very first record of Vinland in medieval literature and therefore of great interest to diffusionists.
Other individual Norsemen, like Eric the Red’s son Thorvall, were also accused of being “giants.” Now is it a coincidence that Scott Wolter asserted that the race of Norse giants were “between seven and eight feet tall”—the exact height Snorri’s saga attributes to Harald, the “giant” who sailed to Vinland, according to Adam of Bremen?
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B L
3/18/2013 08:44:39 am
Hey Jason, as to the question you ask at the end of this post....Yes, I think it is a complete coincidence! if you're suggesting that Wolter does any research at all, including finding and actually READING an extremely old text like King Harald’s Saga, then you're giving him way more credit than I do.
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3/18/2013 02:10:51 pm
I assume the show got it from some mystery-mongering secondary source or another that summarized the history of "Norse" giants in America. (There have been several published in the last 10-20 years.) I don't for a minute think Wolter has any awareness of primary sources; we know from Scott Dawson that Wolter admits that he never read any primary sources.
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L Bean
3/18/2013 11:27:53 am
One wonders why this show's go-to era is the heyday of the professional occultist Victorian writers for their "research" materials, but it's actually very Zen. Any further back or forward, and you'd get eyewitness accounts and proper sciency stuff and we can't have any of that on The History Channel.
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Phil
3/18/2013 12:48:11 pm
Seems like the Universe show/series on H2 has somwhat a real sciency feeling to it? Shure they play loose with the thories/facts to spin it their way, but it is a least watchable and interesting. I can not even stand to wath a moment of the very stupid America Unearthed show. This idiot Scott must bask in his moronic drivel!
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Michael Compton
3/18/2013 02:04:07 pm
Thank you VERY much for taking the time to break this absurd series down. Many is the time I've shouted at the tv - at this show and others - for egregious misrepresentations of history...science...recent political developments...basic facts of nearly every stripe. Rarely (if ever) have I taken the time to address them thoroughly as you've done here. In most cases, including this one, it's a big job.
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3/18/2013 02:08:13 pm
Thank you for the kind words. Despite my protests, I do find it fun to do the actual research and learn the truth behind cable TV's lies. I've learned more about ancient history looking up what Ancient Aliens and America Unearthed got wrong than I did in school!
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3/18/2013 03:26:23 pm
Five ells should be over eleven feet. Seven and a half feet would be five cubits, the distance from the fingertips to the elbow. The English ell was the distance from the fingertips to the armpit, or 28 inches. If the Norwegian ell was the same as the English, Harald Hardrada should have been eleven foot eight.
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The Other J.
3/18/2013 05:07:12 pm
For what it's worth, Scandinavians are in general pretty large. The BBC reported a few years back that in Sweden, the public buses had to modified because the average Swede was now so tall that they had a hard time fitting in the seats. (That's good food and healthy living for ya.)
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3/18/2013 11:24:45 pm
According to the sources in use in the nineteenth century, when these ideas were proposed, the Norse ell was about 18 inches. Other sources do define the ell as you mentioned, and give his height as about 10.5 feet.
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The Other J.
3/18/2013 04:35:55 pm
So, question: Could Wolter be appropriating the other folktales of a race of giants in the Upper Midwest and the Mountain West? Since I was a kid (growing up in the Upper Midwest, not far from Wolter) I've heard these stories; they concern 7 and 8 foot tall skeletons found in Native American mounds. The skeletons are said to have six digits on their extremities, larger skulls with an extra row of teeth, and sloped foreheads. In 1891, the New York Times ran a piece about them, and that's the best evidence conspiracy theorists have to go on (pdf of the article here -- http://tinyurl.com/nyt-giants). They've supposedly been found from Wisconsin to Colorado, but I can't recommend going on a google hunt, because it mainly leads down some wacky roads. (One guy, claiming to have a PhD, links to a National Geographic article he states declares there were once 15-foot tall cyclops on the planet. Go to the article, and it actually talks about a species of extinct elephants whose skulls may have provided material for the myth. Man I love/hate conspiracy theories...)
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3/18/2013 05:02:18 pm
I'd forgotten about the seven foot redhead skeletons. The same rumor pops up about Tocharian tombs in Central Asia. Since most of us redheads (or former redheads) are kind of stumpy, I've always like that one, even though it's BS. Of course hair, human and otherwise, often turns red after long exposure to certain soils--that explains that part--but no one has yet turned up a seven foot human skeleton.
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The Other J.
3/18/2013 05:17:28 pm
You're absolutely right about the suggestive size of a disarticulated skeleton. In Ireland's the National Museum (Dublin), they have the skeleton of a Viking warrior on display, with full battle gear (the Vikings built a lot of Dublin). That skeleton is almost 7 feet tall. But talk to the docent, and he'll explain how large the man really was. He was big, no doubt -- almost a foot taller than the average Celt at the time, but not as large as his remains would suggest.
The Cimmerian
3/21/2013 09:03:03 am
I'm in total agreement about the show, but as a point of fact, the red hair of the tarim basin mummies is very likely natural. The oldest population there was genetically west eurasian, and there was definitely a lot of intermarriage. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarim_mummies 3/18/2013 11:30:14 pm
There are dozens of Victorian newspaper articles about "Giant" skeletons--and at one point, the Minnesota press was reporting them being found by the HUNDREDS in mounds! When one such cache was allegedly found in Kentucky, the people of Tennessee couldn't let that stand, so they claimed to have found a cave or mound filled with THOUSANDS of skeletons of PYGMIES! The NY Times ran a story claiming that there were so many pygmies that ever well-furnished home would soon have a pymgy skeleton as a living room curiosity. Of course that never happened, and the pygmies were nothing but fancy.
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Graham
3/18/2013 11:55:31 pm
The Skeptoid Podcast covered the Minnesota Skulls in their 144th episode.
cora
3/20/2013 10:41:39 am
Occasionally large size skeletons are or were found in Native American graves. They are chalked up to an individual having a disease or just the normal bell curve effect of an outlier.
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3/20/2013 11:00:10 am
Thanks for sharing that great resource. Apparently you need Microsoft Access to view the databases. If anyone has that and wants to check it out, I'd be interested to know if any "giants" are in there.
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