Woman Claims "Ancient Aliens" Led Her to Recognize Her Alien Abductions, Psychic Powers

1/24/2014

Tonight Ancient Aliens returns from a month-long hiatus, and it looks to be more of the same rehashed material from earlier episodes. However, regular readers will be interested to note that next week (not tonight) the show will be investigating… wait for it… the Tibetan-Egyptian underground city in the Grand Canyon! Since they plan to relate this to the Native American legend of the “Star Beings,” it sounds like they’ll be interviewing the same Zuni elder as America Unearthed, this time to support a completely different fringe theory!

But what is more upsetting is that there are many people who can’t tell the difference between Ancient Aliens and reality. Sometimes this is due to confusion, and sometimes it is a result of sadder circumstances.

Today’s case study is in the latter category. It is sad, and I am frankly at a loss for words. The woman in question self-describes as schizophrenic, and she describes how Ancient Aliens has contributed to her understanding of the world.

A few months ago, Ancient Aliens suggested that an Aztec obsidian mirror owned by John Dee was a communication device used to reach extraterrestrials, whom Dee called angels. The object is now in the British Museum, and it is quite likely to actually be one of the shiny objects through which Dee and his assistant, Edward Kelly, believed they were seeing images of angels. At any rate, Horace Walpole (founder of the Gothic school of literature) believed as much when he placed a label stating this in the mirror’s case, made for it when he bought the mirror in 1771.

A woman named Lucia from Uruguay believes that the angels directed her to watch this episode of Ancient Aliens, and she says that immediately upon seeing the reference to Dee’s mirror, she “knew” psychically that it was intended to serve as a device for communicating with angels.

some after that a sort of black mirror showed up in my imagination and saw that as ajoke.... except that I started to see what I see in walls inside MY mind and my real physical eyes are very tired LIKE if they were focusing to project it inside me, after my fear was gone and saw as real what I saw the guide spoke saying to "shut down" my walls projection and when I asked for it I started to feel a strong amount of burning high end energy in me and my eyes are somewhat HURTED due to focus but they are just tired not painfull
(spelling and grammar as in original)

She then states that the angels informed her that she needed to watch the complete series of Ancient Aliens and to “reproduce” all of the angel and/or alien communication devices that would be useful to her.

She went on to say that she thought that the angel-aliens had given her genetic therapy to turn her into an alien, but that they instead recently informed her that she is merely among the most highly-developed human beings. She asserts that she feels scared as a result of the communications with these alien-angels and that she has started to remember multiple alien abductions, including one in which an alien dentist replaced all of her teeth.

While Ancient Aliens is not to blame for this woman experiencing fear of what sounds very much like waking dreams, I think it can well be blamed for giving shape to the specific form of her nightmares, and for inspiring new nightmares. It is obviously not the fault of Ancient Aliens that a self-described schizophrenic has adopted their claims, but it is a sad illustration of how low-evidence, high-drama fringe material becomes the fabric of nightmares.

36 Comments

RLewis

1/24/2014 02:50:56 am

I see from her "page" that she is from Uruguay, which may explain the broken English. Also,reading her past posts she seems to have many special dreams and thoughts.
I'm certainly not a supported of AA and I do think their wild claims can adversely affect those prone to take such things seriously. However, it's possible this woman was already way out there.

Jason Colavito link

1/24/2014 02:54:04 am

I imagine that she probably would be making fringe claims no matter what. It just struck me as unusual that she latched onto Ancient Aliens to give shape to her nightmares. More typically, it's UFOs, fairies, or demons rather than ancient astronauts.

Marc D

6/12/2015 07:49:42 pm

What about the woman who said she was taken by the Aliens who said they were calling themselves "the watchers" do you not believe her?

Enoch

1/24/2014 08:26:29 am

John Dee's Scrying Mirror

http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights/highlight_objects/pe_mla/d/dr_dees_mirror.aspx

Enoch again

1/24/2014 08:28:50 am

Oops, the link is already there, within the above text. Here's another photo of it

http://www.martinfaulks.com/USERIMAGES/dsc01939.jpg

Pat

2/1/2014 06:14:38 am

OMG! I can see an angel in the mirror on this photograph! ; ) This angel is holding a camera! Oh, wait! No, it's just a reflecion of a person taking this photo... I guess it's too easy to see people in any reflective surface when you're right in front of it!

Shane Sullivan

1/24/2014 03:39:49 am

Honestly, I think the most bizarre part of this story is that spiritual beings told this woman to seek esoteric knowledge not in mystic texts hidden in some Tibetan temple, or in the fabled Hall of Records beneath the Sphinx, or from some other suitably ancient and mysterious source... but by watching a TV show. This sounds less like the work of angelic extraterrestrials and more like the subliminal advertisement of dystopian fiction.

I wonder if Aiwass ever encouraged Aleister Crowley to drink Coca-Cola?

Scott David Hamilton

1/24/2014 04:13:28 am

Some of the things Jack Parsons said he experienced came pretty close to that, though by that point Crowley was writing to his friends that he thought Parsons was full of it.

The Other J.

1/24/2014 03:26:59 pm

Wait -- Jack Parsons thought the spirits were telling him to enjoy Coca-Cola?

Please tell me that's true. I hope they also told him more doctors smoked camels and offered a Burma-Shave jingle.

Heidi

1/24/2014 02:58:41 pm

You may be interested in Lawrence Rickles The Vampire Lectures. He is a professor of Gothic Lit from out of California. In the opening lecture he states that he is using Freud's theory of pathological mourning to deconstruct horror lit. He connects it all to technology in several instances and deconstructs tons of Gothic vampire stories. Definitely a entertaining read with different insights into Gothic lit.

Matt Mc

1/24/2014 04:53:18 am

This story makes me wonder how many other people have had had similar issues that we have never heard about. Having grown up with a younger brother who suffered brain damage at birth and seen his struggles on and off medication it makes me sad to known that shows like AA can fuel a already delicate fire.

That said it is hard to place any real blame or responsibility on AA or other like shows, since someone with mental health issues can be influenced by almost anything while off their medication. The responsibility falls on those around the person to make sure that the person is getting the proper treatment and care. It is hard, very hard especially when the person does not want to be on the medication.

So while this story is very sad and telling how a show like AA can influence a mentally unstable person, that influence could of come from almost any outside source.

1/24/2014 05:34:41 am

Undoubtedly the influence could come from anywhere. If not Ancient Aliens, then horror movies, or mythology, or anything. It struck me as unusual though to see someone claim Ancient Aliens as a spiritual revelation.

1/24/2014 05:46:27 am

and that is interesting and worth noting.

I just don't see how something like that can be prevented. I will say that shows like AA, Destination Truth, Jesse Ventura's shows, ect.. seem to play into the common conspiracy theme that is prevalent in people with mental disorders.

1/24/2014 06:24:46 am

I'd be interested to see, though, how much influence on the mentally ill fiction can have, as opposed to things that are presented as or general thought to be true. In the entire world there's probably a non-zero number of people who think Lex Luthor is trying to take over the world, but I'm sure that number is dwarfed by the number of people who think the Illuminati/Jewish/New World Order cabal is trying to take over the world. Clearly, even at the far end of the mental health spectrum, presentation as fact counts.

To confuse the issue, there have to be certain psychological factors that make some beliefs more attractive than others. I note that Lucia from Uruguay is under the belief that her teeth are foreign objects, which is certainly widespread among the mentally ill. I don't think that can be a strictly cultural influence. On the other hand, the idea that your teeth can receive radio transmissions seems to go back to the movie Something for the Boys (and much later it was told as something that Lucille Ball claimed actually happened to her) so it's much more complicated than a single vector in one direction.

1/24/2014 07:32:03 am

I can only speak from my experience and the reading I have done to better understand my brothers condition. I know it is common for people to hear voices and hallucinate. I would not be surprised if mild schizophrenia or other like diagnoses would be discovered among a great deal of people who claim to be abducted. I know a large amount of people go their whole lives undiagnosed and can be affected by what they see, read, or hear.

Look a Philip K Dick, one of my favorite writes. He was not diagnosed with any mental disorder but his writing shows and lifestyle shows that he struggled with manic depressive like symptoms his whole life. Reading VALIS is like stepping into the mind of someone struggling with perceptions of reality. In Dick's case I think his problems made him an incredible writer. But someone who more out of touch with reality could read VALIS or other stories as truth and begin seeing the things that Dick wrote about.

I think pop culture, movies and literature can play and do play into people mental states. Someone who is already showing signs of complete paranoia can be really influence by shows like Doomsday Peppers and programs/articles that talk about conspiracies.

Many, like my brother, walk a fine line between functional and non functional and sadly that line is dictated by medication for many. When my brother is off his meds, he hears voices and fears that if he leaves his room someone or something is going to capture him. In his case he thinks that he will be cloned and the clone will replace him. I am not sure where he gets this idea from but I do know that when he was younger the classic movie INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS was one of his favorites (it is my fault by the way since I was the one who showed it to him), now we will never know if he likes the movie because it matches something inside his head or did the movie create that thing inside his head. Either way I do think that certain topics stand out to people who suffer from mental illness and they are most definitely affected by them in way other are not.

Heidi link

1/24/2014 03:06:48 pm

Jason I am surprised that this surprises you. You go after the show with such gusto! I presumed you had an personal idea of modernism you were beholden too that drives you and that you would recognize this as being par for the course. Check out L. Rickles The Vampire Lectures. He connects Freud's theory of pathological mourning to technology and spiritualism in the opening of the book and returns to that theme thoughout it. Good Book.

1/24/2014 03:37:36 pm

It may be worth considering why AA trumped other media in the Win Lucia's Brain sweepstakes. If she's watching Ancient Aliens, she's at least being exposed to other programming on H2 and, by extension, other cable programming.

TV today is lousy with vampires, werewolves, witches, ghosts, vampires living with werewolves and witches and ghosts, psychic soldiers, nano-gods, demon hunters, exorcists, paleoarchaeoastrological forensic geopharmacologists -- there's a lot of material out there that seems well-positioned to unintentionally influence the mentally ill.

It may be just a coincidence that it was AA what grabbed her focus. Or it may be the way AA is produced, jumping from topic to topic with the slimmest of links and then drawing out larger, unfounded patterns from the so-called information -- that almost sounds like how many schizophrenic minds interpret the world.

Man, I wonder if there's been a study on this? It seems like the kind of thing some psychologist would have done -- a survey of what television programs tend to have the most impact on people with schizophrenia and an analysis of why. That'd be fascinating.

1/24/2014 04:48:59 pm

Matt Mc, the thing with PKD, though, was he seemed aware that the signals his brain were sending may have been the result of crossed wires (mental illness, drugs, some alien intelligence). My sense is that he was able to maintain that meta-awareness, and that's what allowed him to explore the other possibilities of what his brain was signalling in narrative form while not succumbing to them. If he wasn't able to maintain that meta-awareness and critical distance, he probably wouldn't have been able to write like he did.

That meta-awareness is also one of the things that made me appreciate his work so much, because when he/a character learned that the world may not be what it seemed (Deckard questioning his humanity, the empire never ended, PKD wondering if he was actually part of an ancient Greek secret sect of hidden Christians and hallucinating this world), there wasn't just out-and-out acceptance. Instead, the default position was "If that last world was false, then how can I be sure THIS world ISN'T ALSO false?" That's the kind of awareness I think many with mental illness lack, at least if they're unmedicated.

It's also what always bugged me about The Matrix; Neo never questioned if the Chicago Morpheus showed him wasn't also some kind of construct. He just accepted it was the desert of the real.

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Sidenote: PKD apparently started talking in Koine Greek in his sleep for a while. He claimed he didn't know Greek (except when on LSD), and didn't know that when he was talking in Greek in his sleep. His wife wrote the words he was saying in his sleep, and that's how they found out what he was saying. It's at least a good story. (And, come to think of it, reminiscent of William Butler Yeats' wife Georgie using automatic writing to be a go-between for Yeats and his "spirit guide" Leo Africanus.)

I'm almost sure reading about that influenced a dream I had. In the dream, I was tearing through a stack of books looking for a word. I didn't know what the word was, but I knew I'd know it when I found it. Then I found the word -- 'anagnorisis.' As soon as I saw the word I wrote it down in my dream and knew I could wake up.

Then I woke up and wrote the word down in reality and looked it up -- it's a Greek term for the act of discovery, recognition or realization. So the definition of the word I was looking for described the act of looking for the word I was looking for.

I don't know Greek, but that's a term used in Greek drama, and I'm sure I probably came across it in grad school -- I must have. So that word was bouncing around somewhere in my subconscious, and that combined with reading VALIS resulted in that weird symbolically-recursive dream. Which, in a way, speaks to how external media can influence and shape the behavior of the subconscious mind, similar to Lucia thinking angels are being brought to her by George Tsoukalos.

Real funny, brain.

1/25/2014 02:25:40 am

I agree that PKD had some kind of awareness that something was wrong with him and he most defiantly self medicated and used his writings (especially his later stuff) to help him deal with what was going on most notably his exiguous. Know since I have not read to much on the person that PDK was, I don't know how much his illness factored into his everyday life, except that he felt guilt from his twin dying a childbirth, that he struggled with addiction, and was unable to have last relationships with women and other people close to him. I do believe that if he was diagnosed and was put on proper medication he most likely would not have been nearly as creative or asked so many questions about what reality is. He however did fall into a lot of the traps that people with mental illness have most notably his quest to understand god and his weird religious/anti religious beliefs that seemed in conflict which each other, He did believe that god talked to him by shooting a light into his eyes.

I think mental illness is a hard thing to explain since it is so different in people, my brothers is a physical and not chemical problem, a lot of people problems come from circumstance and not chemical or physical problems. There however are signs that seem to cross all forms of mental illness, the someone is watching me, the hearing voices, the body parts acting on their own or out against a person, the talking to god or devil thing, seizures, overactive, under active or distorted sexual tendencies, isolation, ect.. I also do believe that a good deal of people suffering from these kinds of illness are more unacceptable to outside influences whether it be AA. Disney, or some morning show Evangelist.

As for the MATRIX, I never really liked that movie, just did not do it for more, I think it was flashy and had great effects, it was not interesting for me to say the least kind of just mixing pot of well known cyber punk stories that preceded it. I will say that the first film was infinitely better than its successors.

as for the rest it is all Greek to me :)

Gunn

1/25/2014 02:53:45 am

Dream interpretation is, indeed, perplexing. In the Old Testament, we have the example of an interpreter of dreams (Joseph) and this seems to have been a special gift. On the other hand, un-Godly dream interpretation can be in the category of other occult practices. I know this sounds peculiar. So, dream interpretation can be seen as either benevolent or malevolent.

What I'm going to relay here is the truth, not a joke, and is on-subject: several months ago I had a dream in which a vague "map" appeared in my mind's eye, and the name of a town was imprinted on the map, to the left, west. The name of the town was flashing on and off, and the name of the town was "Wilmot."

This was at a time when I was trying to figure out in my mind which direction I should go, insomuch as stonehole investigation, the KRS, etc. For example, I had been thinking about trying to locate the site of the massacre about a day's travel north of Runestone Hill. Then there are the multiplicity of new stoneholes I found in October, some of them appearing out of context with the others.

People here know and can go back and see that soon after my "dream," I began focusing more and more on the Wilmot, SD area, and the attending Whetstone River area, which is heavily marked-up with stoneholes and also a few medieval Scandinavian-looking, very aged carvings. Lo and behold, it was not long before I realized--it was a realization--that this spot, which I dubbed New Gotaland, was in fact very purposely chosen out for future settlement because this is the very area where two oceanic waterways merge out in the exact middle of nowhere...the center of North America. If one turns west where the Mississippi and Minnesota Rivers merge, and follows west, he will come to this same spot, that is, from the Gulf of Mexico. So, three major waterways go to this absolutely obscure spot. So, in my mind, Wilmot is the place to be next spring.

I only bring this up--and with considerable hesitation--because someone else was willing to share a personal story about his own "informative dream." Also, I feel a bit more sheltered now that new rules are in place here. I also experienced one of these informative dreams in regards to the invention of my new wind turbine...wind control gates that merge with a tube-shroud design.

I feel that God has been helping me, as I believe in miracles for today, not just yesterday.

1/24/2014 07:14:08 am

I know this won't be a popular view here, but I'm wondering along with Jason about why the "angels" told this woman to watch TV, specific programming.

I'm bringing this up, because in the past here on this blog there was a discussion about how the aliens and UFO's, etc., could fool us, as preparation for "The End of Days," in a religious setting. So now, apparently folks are going to be subjected to being told to watch TV programming? Well, let me just say I'm not surprised!

I can safely say that at least one other commenter here might think this woman is being communicated with by a demon or demons, one of Jason's recognized choices, above, as a thought of possible solution to this poor woman's problems...not by Jason, but by others believing it is possible for wicked spiritual forces on the other side to be looking in and interfering with the daily lives of people.

The end result is that communications of a questionable nature often follows, and these rather bizarre communications are carried forward. I can't help wondering if we'll hear about others being told to watch certain TV programming. It sounds to me like a match-up made in Hell. But then, I believe in spiritual deception. ("The Screwtape Letters," by C. S. Lewis goes into this in excruciating detail.)

Warning: In my opinion, the in-depth study of demonology can become damaging if one is not well-grounded spiritually. Similarly, a Pandora's Box lid can be cracked open by fooling with various tools of demonic trade, such as Ouija boards, tarot cards, etc.

(A hateful or revengeful spirit can do damage, too.)

1/24/2014 07:16:14 am

Jason and Tara, just so you know, the last few times I posted, my screen went blank and said "This page can't be displayed," yet then the post took. Weird.

Tara Jordan

1/24/2014 02:24:52 pm

I gave up,my situation is getting worst, as soon as I publish one comment,I am systematically denied access to post for at least 6 or 7
hours.I can post from my IPhone but I don't like the inconvenience of
having to write from a tiny phone.

1/24/2014 03:45:54 pm

Tara, I mentioned this in another thread, but if you're having trouble with the site don't know if you saw it.

If you're trying to post from another country, I wonder if using a proxy could help. An extension to check out is at hola.org; it'll allow you to choose from a slew of proxies from multiple countries for a website. It's helped me access news from Ireland and Australia in the past. Might be worth a try.

1/24/2014 05:48:15 pm

The Other J
Thanks for the suggestion but most Web Proxies do not allow scripting.
It's OK I don't have to "participate" anyway,most readers consider me as a public nuisance.

1/24/2014 05:58:16 pm

Here's a hacky work-around if you can only access via your phone:

Check the page on your phone; write any comments on a stand-alone machine in a text editor and save it to some online storage you can access on your phone, like Dropbox; then just open the file in Dropbox on your phone, copy the text and paste it into the comment. It'd be a hassle, but it should work.

And even if you're a public nuisance, you're a clever public nuisance.

1/24/2014 08:24:01 pm

J.
Occasionally I do it but is it worth it?

Tara Jordan link

1/25/2014 10:31:18 am

Testing

BillUSA

1/24/2014 08:33:30 am

I agree that it is a shame how the vulnerable among us (through mental disease, lack of education, and astounding ignorance) CAN and sometimes are influenced by the ancient alien crackpots.

Only Me

1/24/2014 02:18:55 pm

This is the first time I've heard of something like this. So, as a serious question, does anybody think this could snowball into the same media frenzy that occurred when heavy metal music and video games were blamed for encouraging violence among children and teens? Will future cases involve someone with mental illness saying, "The TV told me _____"?

I ask, because I can see some of the same elements involved with the heavy metal/video games debate trying to make a case before the FCC. Cable television would feel the aftereffects.

1/24/2014 03:55:17 pm

Although I don't doubt some will try to attack cable television for planting suggestions in the mentally vulnerable, it's not entirely a new claim. My memory's hazy on this, but wasn't there a case about a decade ago where a woman who killed her children said god told her to do it through her television? I can't recall if this was the woman who drowned her kids in the tub or put them in a car and then put the car in a lake. But I seem to recall TV coming up in the trial.

When I was a kid, I knew of a guy who wasn't mentally stable and also took a lot of cues from television, particularly Star Trek. He thought he was a super-genius, and devised this helmet with a colander on top that had a fastener around his chin. He'd put raw hamburger into the colander, strap it to his head and ride his bike around town. He thought his brain would absorb the protein by osmosis and he'd become even more intelligent. It wasn't easy to see.

1/24/2014 04:29:58 pm

You...had an...interesting...childhood.

1/24/2014 04:52:23 pm

I stayed well away from that guy. He was large and aggressive, too, and if he cornered you and you couldn't understand what he was talking about, he could lash out.

The strange thing is his brother actually was incredibly intelligent. I think he went to med school or became a pharmacist.

Gunn link

1/25/2014 12:15:51 pm

The Other J. It took me the afternoon before I put together the meaning of your dream.

"Anagnorisis" is the act of yours truly discovering, recognizing and realizing the meaning of Wilmot, SD, aka New Gotaland. Your timing in relating the story is impeccable. And to think that this came from you, not a television set!

This is the way God puts things together, even reaching into the future (now already past) to make your dream and mine (together) more meaningful. Life is a stonehole circle. He must have a sense of humor, no? Maybe this joke was on you. (Said with humor, not harshly, for clarification.)

1/27/2014 08:34:50 am

In honor of your long-past and back-to-the-future dream, I suppose I could consider re-dubbing New Gotaland, "Anagnorisis," but I don't think it will fit in as well with the local populace. Great name, though, for meaning and description of the unusual site location.

helen

1/25/2014 07:31:25 am

What an interesting story.

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