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YouTube Video Claims Atlantis Is Located in the Sahara Desert

9/14/2018

36 Comments

 
​Later tonight, In Search Of will air its season finale, a two-hour search for the lost city of Atlantis. I am not overly enthusiastic about their hunt, and I can’t imagine how it is going to differ from all of the other two-hour Atlantis specials that have aired over the past five years. But in preparation for this, I thought it would be worth briefly mentioning a claim about Atlantis that has been cycling around the internet. A YouTube video claiming that Atlantis is located in Mauritania received a big push over the past two weeks after Russian propaganda site Sputnik picked it up, along with the online British tabloids that follow Sputnik’s lead with clockwork regularity. From there, the story spread to prominent “mystery” sites like Mysterious Universe as it continued its upward ascent to the mainstream
The video claims that that Richat Structure, or the Eye of the Sahara, is an eroded set of concentric rings in Mauritania about 40 km in diameter that geologists have concluded is a natural structure, probably a collapsed magma dome. This, of course, does not preclude it from being Atlantis, but a number of facts mitigate against it:
 
  • There is no evidence of human settlement anywhere on or around the structure. It was not a city.
  • The rings are not located anywhere near the sea, and it would take a powerful tsunami to flood two hundred miles from the coast.
  • As should be obvious, the Richat Structure is not underwater and therefore did not disappear beneath the waves never to be seen again. There is no evidence of it being underwater in the past 10,000 years.
  • It is not, as Plato said, opposite the Pillars of Hercules.
  • While the video claims that the diameter of the structure exactly matches Plato’s measurements for Atlantis of 127 stadia, this can only be matched by selectively choosing to ignore the outermost “ditch,” whose added measurements would outstrip Plato’s.
 
The video also makes a number of errors. For example, it alleges that the structure was first seen in the 1960s, but it had been described as early as the 1930s and was investigated in the 1940s, 1950s, and 1960s. The speaker also uses a measurement of 607 American feet for a Greek stadion, despite the length of a stadion varying wildly across the Greek world. This makes it difficult to develop precise modern measurements from imprecise units.
 
The speaker claims that the proof that Atlantis was in the Sahara is to be found in Plato’s claims that “Atlantis is part of the Atlantic which is no longer accessible by ship.” He mistranslates a line that is better rendered as “This power [i.e., Atlantis] came forth out of the Atlantic Ocean, for in those days the Atlantic was navigable.” As we shall see, this mistake is important for his argument. Similarly, he offers another passage from a few lines later that he misuses. He says, “Atlantis, when sunk by the earthquake, became an impassible barrier of mud to voyagers sailing from hence to any part of the ocean.” This is more typically rendered as “But afterwards there occurred violent earthquakes and floods; and in a single day and night of misfortune all your warlike men in a body sank into the earth, and the island of Atlantis in like manner disappeared in the depths of the sea. For which reason the sea in those parts is impassable and impenetrable, because there is a shoal of mud in the way; and this was caused by the subsidence of the island.” He says this means Atlantis became “landlocked,” but he misses the fact that Plato envisioned Atlantis as being a muddy blockage stopping ships from sailing around it, not that Atlantis dried up a chunk of the sea and became mired in a desert. That’s literally the opposite of what Plato said and meant, as noted by the fact that Plato specifies that Atlantis disappeared underwater in the same sentence that the speaker cites but does not quote.
 
Funny thing that In Search Of had asked me to appear on their show and fly out to West Africa to hunt for the lost continent. How is it that the same claim pops up all over the place at almost the same time? 
36 Comments
E.P. Grondine
9/14/2018 08:37:23 am

"Funny thing that In Search Of had asked me to appear on their show and fly out to West Africa to hunt for the lost continent."

Hi Jason -

As you are an expert on Al Idrisi, that is no surprise.

Anytime you have a perfectly circular structure, one should suspect asteroid impact as a possible cause..

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AmericanCool"Disco"Dan
9/14/2018 01:40:27 pm

Or a collapsed magma dome. Plagiarized from Wikipedia:

"Théodore Monod in 1952 recorded four "crateriform or circular irregularities" (accidents cratériformes ou circulaires) in the area, Er Richât, Aouelloul (south of Chinguetti), Temimichat-Ghallaman and Tenoumer.[8] Origin of Er Richât as an impact structure (as is clearly the case with the other three) was briefly considered, but closer study in the 1950s to 1960s suggested that it was formed by terrestrial processes. After extensive field and laboratory studies in the 1960s, no credible evidence has been found for shock metamorphism or any type of deformation indicative of a hypervelocity extraterrestrial impact.[9] While coesite, an indicator of shock metamorphism, had initially been reported as being present in rock samples collected from the Richat Structure, further analysis of rock samples concluded that barite had been misidentified as coesite.[10]

Work on dating the structure was done in the 1990s.[11] Renewed study of the formation of the structure by Matton et al. (2005) and Matton (2008) confirmed the conclusion that it is not an impact structure. The circular distribution of ridges and valleys is explained as the formation of cuestas by the differential erosion of alternating hard and soft rock layers uplifted as a dome by an underlying alkaline igneous complex of Cretaceous age.[12]"

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E.P. Grondine
9/14/2018 03:35:31 pm

Hi Dan -

Thanks for the update.

Given the general lack of seismic activity in this area, this leaves impact as a possible mechanism for triggering the initial volcanic eruption. Stay tuned.

AmericanCool"Disco"Dan
9/14/2018 04:31:17 pm

You really do hear hooves and think of zebras don't you? Seismic activity can change a lot over 100 million years and 3 out of the 4 sites in the region have been adjudged impact sites, JUST NOT THIS ONE. It's just a horse.

E.P. Grondine
9/15/2018 12:57:04 am

HI Dan -

Actually, I am pretty selective - for example, I think that the Carolina Bays were NOT formed by the comet impact at 10,800 BCE, despite George Howard's fervent hopes.

I will note that for most large impact structures on the Earth the type of impactor is currently not known - and that is the state of impact geology.

AmericanCool"Disco"Dan
9/15/2018 01:30:43 pm

See above for the reasons the Richat Structure is NOT "impact geology." Is your Indian name "Dog with Bone"?

Remember, horse not zebra.

Hugh’s poo
9/14/2018 08:58:38 am

Unnnhhh! Eye jus squeezed out a multi-ringed megalithic city on the ground. Sure, Jason was asked to be on the show.... but he was too busy squeezing out regular piles of envy and hate here. All the shows he hates ask him to appear. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

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Joe Scales
9/14/2018 09:50:30 am

Envy and hate? Dude, you're the one crapping all over the place here; and fiber is not your motivation.

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E.P. Grondine
9/14/2018 03:45:47 pm

Hi Poo -

I see where NASA is fed up with the man did not walk on the Moon folks. I wonder if they'd like to know how the deal went down, details with the percentages.

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Joe Scales
9/14/2018 09:47:53 am

"Funny thing that In Search Of had asked me to appear on their show and fly out to West Africa to hunt for the lost continent."

You should have gone. Then you could tell your more challenged critics that you've been in the field.

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E.P. Grondine
9/14/2018 03:39:19 pm

Hi Joe -

If memory does not fail me (and it does all too often now a days)
I seem to remember Al Idrisi mentioning a circular walled city near the Moroccan coast.

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Hugh’s poo
9/14/2018 07:29:31 pm

Oh Joe. Jason is too busy squeezing out his stinking piles of hate and bias to take any time conducting real research. He needs to be close to his toilet.

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E.P. Grondine
9/15/2018 01:09:41 am

Poo, you are mistaking Jason's irritation at the commercialization of stupidity with some kind of bias.

Either that, or you are intentionally desperately trying to confuse Jason's irritation with some kind of bias.

Astonishing Manipulation
9/14/2018 03:48:04 pm

You just made astonishing manipulation. This is amazing because you are so called debunker, yet it's another time when you spread false information. You said 'A YouTube video received a big push over the past two weeks after Russian propaganda site Sputnik picked it up, along with the online British tabloids that follow Sputnik’s lead with clockwork regularity. From there, the story spread to prominent “mystery” sites like Mysterious Universe as it continued its upward ascent to the mainstream'.

BIG PUSH. This is amazing, because I saw that this film was made on the channel who had 500.000 subscribers. You clearly have no idea about YouTube algorithm. There is no need to link popularity of this video with some weird russian propaganda, because it just happens from time to time that people share interesting videos and then they went viral. So this video about Atlantis had 500.000 views after 2 days and in that point it was obvious that it became viral - that's how YouTube works.

Do you have some kind of obsession about Russians that you are linking them with literally everything? Just look on this channel 'Bright Insight' and you will see that there are plenty of videos who have more views than this video about Atlantis. Are they all popular because of the Russians? Or maybe none of them? It's hard to take you seriously when you start get political about stuff you made. You are a good debunker, but only when you stick to historical research and not some unbelievably ridiculous political statements. I can't believe that you actually made such big, stupid mistake and you just couldn't admit that this video became viral because that's how YouTube works for many other videos. Yeah, big push. Astonishing.

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Jason Colavito link
9/14/2018 03:59:13 pm

Popularity on YouTube isn't the same as popularity in the mainstream media. Lots of YouTube videos rack up massive hits but never get discussed in newspapers or magazines. My point was that the video inspired a lot of coverage in the tabloid media, and in case you weren't aware, newspapers and magazines collectively still have tens of millions more readers than the 500,000 who watched the YouTube video. 500,000 is such a small number by TV standards that it doesn't even approach the number watching the 1 AM showing of SportsCenter.

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AmericanCool"Disco"Dan
9/14/2018 04:55:50 pm

Yall need to git right witchu terniminology and you numberology. According to Youtube's numbers, the CHANNEL has 560,660 SUBSCRIBERS and the VIDEO in question had 1,500,000 VIEWS over the past week.

Jason, you might want to look at SportsCenter's actual ratings. This video is pretty much in the neighborhood.

If the video was embedded on a publication's webpage and set to autoplay (looking at you, Huffington Post) that would boost the view numbers above the number of actual views. I'm guessing that's possible.

Seed of Bismuth
9/14/2018 04:59:20 pm

You reply to this person but don't delete linguistical poo-slinger, why?

Joe Scales
9/14/2018 04:20:42 pm

His Russian dog whistle ain't for Laika...

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Jason Colavito link
9/14/2018 04:44:04 pm

It's hardly political to note that Sputnik ran a story about the video, or that the UK tabloids often repackage Sputnik UFO / alien / ancient mystery stories for their readers. Dates and times of publication show the pattern.

T. Franke link
9/14/2018 05:06:35 pm

It is so funny:

Contrary to the most Atlantis hypotheses, where we have to deal with smaller structures similar to Plato's Atlantis, this time we have to say: It is too big to be Atlantis! Too big, and too many rings ...

But of course, also under a historical-critical perspective, this location has no chance.

In my Atlantis newsletter No. 120 from 08 September 2018 on this recent Atlantis hype about the Richat structure, I also touched the topic that the video maker makes some money with his channel:

https://www.atlantis-scout.de/atlantis_newsl_archive.htm

Making money with books is out of fashion?

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Joe Scales
9/14/2018 09:36:44 pm

"Making money with books is out of fashion?"

No, it's all the rave. Don't even have to be true. You just tell people what they wanna hear. Then you go on MSNBC...

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Machala
9/14/2018 10:21:02 pm

More likely, on one of Faux News' "fair and balanced news" programs, like Fox & Friends or Hannity !

AmericanCool"Disco"Dan
9/14/2018 10:31:45 pm

This reminds me of some Dreams From My Father which pulled a Veil over some Hard Choices I had to make, which of course were a source of Fear. But then I made a Radical move and devoted myself to Lucifer.

"I think that the decision to nominate the story for a Pulitzer is of minimal consequence. I also think that it won is of little consequence. It is a brilliant story—fake and fraud that it is. It would be absurd for me or any other editor to review the authenticity or accuracy of stories that are nominated for prizes."

-- Bob Woodward

Hugh’s poo
9/14/2018 10:44:43 pm

Pfffttttt! Phew.

Joe Scales
9/15/2018 11:04:32 am

Machala,
Fox and Friends and Hannity are news entertainment programs, with Hannity's show being entirely editorial. Don't confuse these programs with the actual news on Fox. Neil Cavuto may be conservative, but he is more fair and balanced than any network news anchor. See also Brit Hume and Chris Wallace. Fox News isn't above bias however. Just tune in Sheppard Smith's newscasts and you'll find him editorializing in regard to Trump in negative fashion for much his show.

But if you miss Fox's actual news broadcasts, you will miss an entire perspective hidden by other networks. And yes, hidden, buried, dropped. Politically biased news IS fake news. When you slant stories in one direction on a constant and consistent basis, it is no longer news. It is editorializing. Fox will cover the other side, but they'll also cover the "mainstream" side as well. Hence, more fair and balanced would be a better way to put it.

But folks like to point to the crazies on Fox at night and the morning imbeciles, as if they're the news people. As if. They are pure news entertainment. However look at MSNBC at any hour of the day. You'll find nearly all of it editorializing. Not news. And just as crazed as Hannity, if not more so being so constant.

Robert Burke
9/14/2018 11:04:49 pm

The Eye of Mauritania is a plasma strike - a very big one. There are other smaller ones litered across Northern Africa. Look where the winds were forced around it like the Eye.

It’s my theory the eye is a connection point opposite the one that carved the Mediterranean Sea.

Besides, Peter Levenda and Tom DeLonge already said it was actually located in the South Pacific...

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T. Franke link
9/15/2018 02:33:57 pm

Semi-intelligent Atlantis searchers would now argue in the following way:

Hey, OK, this isn't Atlantis, we agree. But hey, nature is really capable of creating such structures! It *is* possible! So let us think whether we can identify similar geological structures at other places, and then maybe it is indeed Atlantis ...!

Really intelligent Atlantis searchers already did this, and found nothing. And they started to study another question:

Can we find in ancient literature descriptions of places of which we KNOW that they look differently than described? And can we maybe derive reasons and "rules" why and by which systematic mistakes the descriptions were distorted? And if we apply these rules on Atlantis and try to un-distort the distortions, to which result do we come?

The results still have to be delivered ....

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AmericanCool"Disco"Dan
9/15/2018 05:09:15 pm

In English we just say "Atlantis searchers".

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T. Franke link
9/16/2018 06:56:16 am

@Americancool"Disco"Dan

In the Anglo-Saxon world, there are (in absolute numbers and by percentage) much more Atlantis searchers and especially Atlantis "believers" than in the German-speaking world.

It really makes sense to make a difference between the various sorts of Atlantis searchers. Lumping them all together is a kind of "group-focused enmity" :-)

The same is valid for Atlantis skeptics. Not all of them are arguing on the basis of simplistic thoughts, although you easily could have this impression.

The problem really is that so far neither side could present convincing arguments. Only one thing is clear and should be common ground among educated persons: The literalist approach is nonsense.

AmericanCool"Disco"Dan
9/16/2018 02:08:12 pm

I would think that you, being the Hun, would be in favor of eliminating redundancy.

Bill Birkeland
9/16/2018 09:50:49 pm

It is getting the point that just about every circular, semi-circular, or arcurate and many not so circular features, havd been argued to be an extraterrestrial impact (Reimold 2007). Similarly, it seems that just as there is a impact crater bandwagon, there seems to be an "I found Atlantis" bandwagon in which just about every large or semi-large circular, semi-circular, or arcurate and many not so circular feature visible in Google Earth, digital elevation models, or many other remote sensing databases has been proposed to be the site of Atlantis. [Eventually, it will get to the point that it list of areas not considered to be the site of Atlantis will be smaller than the list of sites proposed to be the location of Atlantis. :-) :-) ] Obviously, such situation does not encourage an outsider to have any trust that a specific "Atlantis du jour" is based upon scientific rigor instead of wishful thinking. It would help their crediability if the proponents of a specific place being atlantis would review what has been published about it before composing their arguments and made sure they had their facts right, which they often show no sign of having done either.

Reference

Reimold, W.U., 2007. The impact crater bandwagon (some problems with the terrestrial impact cratering record). Meteoritics & Planetary Science, 42(9), pp.1467-1472.

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9/16/2018 10:53:29 pm

"It would help their crediability if the proponents of a specific place being atlantis would review what has been published about it before composing their arguments and made sure they had their facts right, which they often show no sign of having done either."

To which I would add:

It would help their credibility if the proponents of a specific place being evidence of an impact event would review what has been published about it before composing their arguments and made sure they had their facts right, which they often show no sign of having done either.

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Theo Paijmans
9/18/2018 05:48:16 pm

So what's new? Already in 1904 German ethnologist and archaeologist Leo Frobenius proposed the Atlantis in Africa idea. As wikipedia summarizes his racist theory:

"...this lost civilization was conceived to be the root of African culture and social structure. Frobenius surmised that a white civilization must have existed in Africa prior to the arrival of the European colonizers, and that it was this "white residue" that enabled native Africans to exhibit traits of "military power, political leadership and... monumental architecture." Frobenius's theory stated that "historical contact with immigrant 'whites' of Mediterranean origin" was responsible for "advanced" native African culture. He stated that such a civilization must have disappeared long ago, to allow for the perceived "dilution" of their civilization to the "levels" that were encountered during the period."

Best regards,

Theo

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Artos
9/19/2018 05:11:22 am

I have a feeling you are just trying to discredit the claim without giving it a fair chance, in the past people believed the city of Troy was a myth until it was found in Turkey and cases like that have happened in our history mostly because people refuse to believe in the different possibilities.
The best way to prove if the anomaly is Atlantis, a geological formation, meteorite impact etc would be to fully excavate the area for definite evidence. I have never seen other natural formations of rings if there are any anomalies resembling this one please show me... As far as I know this is the only formation that is shaped like that.
From google earth the area resembles the aftermath of a tsunami and since it resembles so closely on what Plato described of Atlantis it adds to the curiosity but before we come to any conclusions lets let the scientific community investigate further because with all the coverage this topic is getting I have no doubt there will be plenty of investigations in the following years

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AmericanCool"Disco"Dan
9/19/2018 06:49:26 am

"I have never seen" is perhaps not the best possible argument. In fact I have never seen an argument that sucks more unwashed hobo ass than "I have never seen".

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Finn
9/21/2018 02:26:10 am

"The best way to prove if the anomaly is Atlantis, a geological formation, meteorite impact etc would be to fully excavate the area for definite evidence."

QED we can't say Atlantis isn't on the Moon, since nobody has excavated the moon for evidence.

"I have never seen other natural formations of rings if there are any anomalies resembling this one please show me... As far as I know this is the only formation that is shaped like that."

It's not. Here's an example of how they form
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Schematic-diagram-illustrating-a-generalized-interpretation-of-sedimentary-processes_fig11_40653796

And here's another.
https://www.livescience.com/51659-south-africa-ring-dikes-photo.html

Now you know there are others, you can stop suggesting these have anything in common with Atlantis.

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