David Wilcock Tries to Link Q-Anon Conspiracy, Space Aliens, and "Hamlet's Mill" While Promoting New Documentary

11/21/2018

With the Thanksgiving holiday upon us, my plan is to take off Thursday and Friday for the holiday. I will return this weekend with a new blog post. Depending on how fast I read, it may be my review of the new Curse of Oak Island tie-in book by Randall Sullivan, but to be entirely honest, I twice fell asleep reading it, so I’m not sure I’ll be able to make it through. The only thing duller than watching old men dig pointless holes is reading about old men digging pointless holes!

Today, however, I’d like to talk a little bit about David Wilcock, the (former?) Ancient Aliens star from whom we have not recently heard. Wilcock’s absence from the last batch of Ancient Aliens episodes and his departure from his sinecure at the online Gaia streaming service left him out of the public eye for a while. But that changed a couple of weeks ago when Wilcock launched Above Majestic, a streaming documentary that, despite its title, is not about aesthetics but (sigh) space alien conspiracy theories surrounding what Wilcock terms “the Cabal,” a coalition of Reptilian extraterrestrials, Democrats, and Jews working to destroy the conservative white Christian lifestyle.

According to a recent blog post, the documentary “blows the lid off of the Secret Space Program, ET life, the crimes of the Cabal, beings with elongated skulls, Q Anon and much more.” Yes, Wilcock endorses the reality of Q Anon, the pro-Trump conspiracy alleging Trump to be a genius working with Robert Mueller to secretly take down the Democratic Party.

The documentary was released by Orchard Entertainment, the same company that released Hunt for the Skinwalker earlier this year. “On the day before release,” Wilcock wrote, “Orchard Entertainment got a letter from Fakebook saying that our movie was ‘Fake News,’ and no advertising whatsoever would be permitted.” Wilcock did not provide documentary support for the claim, but it would be at least slightly heartening if Facebook had begun to disallow borderline libelous conspiracy theories from gaining paid advertising footholds.

Wilcock is busy spinning the failure of his 2012 prophecies of apocalypse to foretell the end of the world, so he has come up with a new one, pushing the date of a “solar flash” (which Wilcock’s Ancient Aliens colleague William Henry tells us is the earth-frying plasma storm—the coronal mass ejection—Robert Schoch goes on about) to “sometime” between now and 2029, in the grounds that we “as a planet” weren’t ready for it when the 2012 apocalypse was supposed to hit:

We are told by alleged ET sources that this solar flash will not occur until we are properly ready for it as a planet, or at least as close as can be feasible.

Even with that in mind, the “Guardian” ETs are not anticipating that this event will happen any later than 2029. That’s really not very much time.

We have a LOT to do in order to be ready by that date, particularly since the truly critical period occurs in just the next two years (See update at the end.)

No one really knows when the flash will occur — and a 17-year delay from 2012 is inconsequential when looking at a cycle with a 25,920-year span.

Wilcock justifies his belief that coronal mass ejections are tied to the slow 26,000-year backward rotation of the stars in the sky called the precession of the equinoxes because of the book Hamlet’s Mill: “As [Giorgio de] Santillana and [Hertha] von Dechend revealed in the epic Hamlet’s Mill, fully 35 different ancient texts had these ‘precessional’ numbers deliberately encoded into them — worldwide.” He claims, further, that a coronal mass ejection is prophesized in all major religious texts.

He misunderstood the book—the numbers appear in myths told and retold in many different ways, not just 35 specific texts cited in the bibliography. But more importantly, I have done enormously boring work tracing the origins of these ideas to their sources. I found out where the numbers came from, and it wasn’t the precession of the equinoxes. The numbers come from astrology, specifically the interlocking 20- and 30-year cycles of conjunctions of Jupiter and Saturn, whose multiples yield the same sequence of numbers divisible by 2, 3, 6, and 12. I know this to be the case because the astrological system Santillana and von Dechend thought they had uncovered was instead fragments used in the astrological system of Abu Ma‘shar, the ninth-century Persian astrologer who fused together Indian, Persian, Babylonian, and Greek astrology into a single system, which the authors mistook for an ancient pre-Ice Age system because they had never studies Abu Ma‘shar and his sources. Mistaking the medieval synthesis for an ancient original, they accidentally read the medieval version into the (unrelated) bits and pieces Abu Ma‘shar fused together for his grand synthesis.

That story is interesting on its own, but the fact that Wilcock knows nothing of it and is willing to literally claim aliens will transform the world in the next 17 years on the basis of faulty book from the 1960s says everything you need to know about the depth of Wilcock’s alleged expertise in all things cosmological.

71 Comments

A Buddhist

11/21/2018 09:39:31 am

I thought that the Q-Anon theory was dying after so many failed predictions. Alas, fringe thought does not allow ideas to die - it merely recycles the ideas in other, often even stranger forms.

I think it ironic that Wilcock is allying himself so strongly with Trump and the Republican Party, given that Wilcock's Christianity is very divergent (almost Christianity only in name) from the Christianity promoted by the Republican Party. Quoth Wilcock: "The ancient prophecies also make it very clear that there will be a mass appearance of ETs when the solar flash happens, just as Mr. X’s classified documents revealed. This is the great secret of Jesus, Krishna, Mohammed, Buddha and so many other masters."

This quotation is objectionable to all Christians whom I know about because not only does it reduce Jesus to being an equal to Krishna, Mohammed, and the Buddha, but it completely eliminates the significance of Jesus's teachings as presented within the Bible about right conduct and a relationship with YHVH.

American Cool "Disco" Dan

11/21/2018 11:39:46 pm

"This quotation is objectionable to all Christians whom I know about because not only does it reduce Jesus to being an equal to Krishna, Mohammed, and the Buddha, but it completely eliminates the significance of Jesus's teachings as presented within the Bible about right conduct and a relationship with YHVH."

Yet you feel comfortable calling the God of Christians insane and evil. I was having unprotected sex with Jesus just the other day and he let slip that he does not think highly of you.

11/22/2018 08:04:40 am

American Cool "Disco" Dan: But unlike Mr. Wilcock, I make no claim to be Christian or respect teachings attributed to Jesus. That having been said, as a Buddhist, I object to Wilcock's reducing the heart of the Buddha's teachings to being about a mass appearance of ETs accompanied by a solar flare.

What Jesus thinks of me is not important to me. There is evidence, which I believe, to the effect that Jesus after his death went to a hell-realm, where he still suffers. May his suffering be short!

American cool "Disco" Dan

11/22/2018 01:46:55 pm

There is no such evidence. You give Wolter a run for his money in the idiot department. You really enjoy saying hateful things about Christianity.

Jim

11/22/2018 01:53:53 pm

Off topic but, American Cool "Disco" Dan, have you checked out the new comments on Wolters blog lately ? lol

https://scottwolteranswers.blogspot.com/2018/10/the-lost-templar-journals-of-prince.html

11/22/2018 02:55:28 pm

It's batshit crazy over there. You're right, there is new craziness over there:

"

Eagle FeatherNovember 20, 2018 at 10:15 PM
1. America was discovered between 1300-1200 BC by Phoenicians, the Greenland Sagas commenced in 1200 BC.
2. Tartarus (Pre-Egypt) was moved to America in 1100 BC. A formation of Knights were created to police America.
3. The Gaul Knights were defeated in 754 BC giving rise to the Roman Republic & Empire that defeated Carthage in Punic Wars.
4. Tiberius Sempronius Gracchus, the Roman Zeus from Carthage, shipped all men over 300 pounds to America in 133 BC.
5. Odin's Cobblestone Court was brought to America at the turn of the century. Mecca memorialized his departure as Allah.
6. The Kingdom of Naples was sent to Arcadia (Florida) in 79 AD when Mt. Vesuvius erupted & covered Herculaneum with ash.
7. Teotihuacan (The Religion of Thor) operated until 791 AD when it was defeated at the Battle for Uppsala Sound in Sweden.
8. A Skraelingar and Stave uprising took out every Viking ship as they descended from Vineland Station to Roanoke Island
9. Lief Ericsson's ship was the only one to survive, he entered America through theTemplar portal in Hudson Bay Canada
10. Retrieving all the men from the Midgaard Serpant (Mississippi River) the Nordic bloodline was preserved in 985 AD.
11. The Alamo Incursion occurred in 1002 AD, and the Indians of South America swarmed into North America.
12. A Federated States of Amerigan began in 1040 AD, the Vikings were crushed in 1066 AD by the Norman Conquest.
13. Mounds Park Minnesota is the site for which the Battle of Hastings took place.
14. The St. Clare Expeditions returned the Europeans to America in 1255 AD.
15. The men of the Sinclair Expeditions were found dead in 1362 AD.
16. In 1402 AD, Henry Sinclair was on his deathbed. He commissioned his son to return to America.
17. The Kensington Runestone was the centerpiece of a circular memorial erected at the lines intersecting the 2 Templar portals.
18. As America was being colonized, the Runestone was buried to avoid its destruction.
19. A tree was planted on its location when the Sinclair family returned to its homeland.
20. It was intentionally dug up to show evidence of America's earliest beginnings."

11/22/2018 03:00:33 pm

American cool "Disco" Dan: No Evidence, you say? Here is is my evidence:

1. Christians believe that Jesus is a god.

2. As per Nagarjuna, gods die and go to hell realms. See: Letter to a Friend, verses 69-75.

3. The Babylonian Talmud, Gittin 56b-57a, recounts that Jesus is being punished with boiling excrement.

From these three sources, I have concluded that Jesus was a god, that he truly died, and, not having enough merit to be born in a better place, was born in a hell realm.

Certainly, my conclusions are based upon a Buddhist framework and stringing together diverse sources, and may be criticized (and you will probably criticize me very harshly). But it is based upon evidence, which I have provided.

11/22/2018 04:25:05 pm

1. Christians do not believe that Jesus is "a god".

2. A dead Indian being credited with saying something is not evidence of any kind.

3. You went for the anti-Semitic canard as I knew you would. Let's round up the boys and have a pogrom, shall we?

You are a spewer of hate and illogic. You have the option of keeping your stupid facemouth shut and consistently choose not to exercise it. Unser shtetl verbreent.

11/22/2018 04:38:58 pm

American Cool "Disco" Dan:
1. What do Christians believe that Jesus was, according to you? Merely a person?
2. As a Buddhist, I am entitled to believe Buddhist thinkers to be telling the truth.
3. It is true that the Talmud's assertions about Jesus's suffering have been quoted by anti-Semites as part of their efforts to build up hatred towards Jews. I, however, am not using it in this context for three reasons.
A. I gained it not from any anti-Semitic resource but from Wikipedia, a comparatively neutral resource (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_the_Talmud#Punishment_in_the_afterlife).
B. I am not citing this Talmudic passage as part of any effort to condemn Jews - rather, it is evidence (albeit open to criticism as weak) that Jesus failed and Christianity is based upon the incorrect belief that Jesus is still a god.
C. I entirely sympathize with the Jews for recording stories that purport to reveal negative aspects of Jesus - it is a common and to me acceptable way to undermine the moral authority of a rival religion/ideology. Indeed, many Christians do similar when they talk about the lives of, for example, Joseph Smith and Muhammad.

Matt

11/22/2018 04:44:39 pm

Oh, I thought you said you had "evidence". You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

11/22/2018 05:03:58 pm

Matt: In what way do I not have evidence for my claim that Jesus, after his death, went to a hell-realm? Evidence is defined as "the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid." The Babylonian Talmud, Gittin 56b-57a, claims that Jesus, after his death, went to a hell-realm, and provides testimony about this. "Claims are not evidence!" you might retort. But claims are data, and when data can be held to be true through other sources, then the claims may be accepted, I think, as evidence. From Nagarjuna and many other authorities, some of whom are not Buddhist, we learn that people who do bad deeds go to hell-realms after they die. When considering the Talmudic claim about Jesus, I take into account Jesus's bad deeds (such as attacking money changers in the Temple of Jerusalem), his alleged status as a divine being (which will almost always end with being reborn in a hell-realm), and the idea that Jews would know more about what happened to one so closely associated with them than non-Jews. From this perspective, therefore, the Talmudic passage is evidence that Jesus, after his death, went to a hell realm.

You may say that all talk about hell-realms and divine beings, even divine beings who die, is merely a series of claims. But I am a Buddhist, not a materialistic atheist, wherefore I accept as evidence things that materialistic atheists do not - including accounts of hell-realms and deities from certain authorities whom I trust, such as Nagarjuna and the Tipitaka/Tripitaka (Buddhist canon).

Shane Sullivan

11/22/2018 06:41:50 pm

You realize, of course, that by that definition, there is just as much or more evidence that Jesus does not reside in a hell realm.

Melito of Sardis, for instance, claims that Jesus visited hell after his crucifixion but before his resurrection, but then left and ascended to heaven; Muslims claim he was never crucified and is now in paradise; Epicurus denies that there is such a thing as a hell realm; Chrysippus teaches that the souls of unwise people (which would certainly include Jesus, the way you describe him) dissolve after death; and the Visnu Purana tell us that the Buddha's teachings were only meant to further delude the already-delusion, which raises the question of why we should take a Buddhist thinker like Nagarjuna seriously to begin with.

11/22/2018 07:13:37 pm

Hates Jews. Check.

Hates Christians. Check.

Denies it like any other anti-Semite. Check.

Thinks his belief is "evidence". Check.

Worst possible advertisement for Buddhuism. Check.

11/22/2018 07:21:37 pm

Shane Sullivan: How I came to be a Buddhist is a long story that to a great degree is ongoing. I thank you for being so polite and respectful. You raise valid points about the diversity of opinions about where people (Jesus included) go after they die. That having been said, this is not a forum for discussing religious issues independent of fringe history. I only got into discussing religious issues independent of fringe history on this blog post because American Cool "Disco" Dan made ridiculous and insulting comments about me and my religious claims that I felt obliged to defend against.

11/22/2018 07:23:44 pm

@Jim:

"Scott WolterNovember 13, 2018 at 3:44 PM
Anonymous,

I'm well aware of what happened to Dahmer and will take you at your word about the threat. Diana made a mistake posting on the debunker's blog. I warned her it was hate blog so she deleted her posts and will not be back."

Either Ms. Muir discovered a hidden feature of this site allowing her to delete her posts or Wolter is lying. I'll take Wolter Is Lying for 200 Alex.

"Scott Wolter November 14, 2018 at 4:27 PM
Anonymous and all,

I respectfully ask that readers refrain from cutting and pasting the text of my blog posts, or comments made by myself and others, on other blog sites. I know it's happened repeatedly and I want it to stop. It's unethical to do so without permission and just plain bush league."

Double secret probation.

11/22/2018 07:36:34 pm

"I only got into discussing religious issues independent of fringe history on this blog post because American Cool "Disco" Dan made ridiculous and insulting comments about me and my religious claims that I felt obliged to defend against."

No, you argue because aside from hating Jews and Christians you feel compelled to shove your Buddhuism down peoples' throats where it's not wanted because you're autistic and can't control yourself. Forget "on the spectrum" you are an effing rainbow.

11/22/2018 07:39:50 pm

American Cool "Disco" Dan: So you think that quoting any passage from the Talmud is anti-Semitic if said passage has been used in other contexts to criticize Jews?

It is not simply my belief. It is my belief shaped by evidence that I come upon during my readings and researches.

I wish that I were a better demonstration of the superiority of Buddhism, certainly. If I were, maybe I could get you to stop being such a poor demonstration of American manners, etc.

With regard to Scott Wolter's wishes about copying/pasting blog posts, he is actually going easy. Copyright law gives bloggers great control over their blogposts, wherefore he could very possibly sue you or any other unauthorized reproducer of his blogposts. The precise terms, if any, of his licensing, the state of the fair use doctrine and copyright statutes in the United States, etc., mean that he is not guaranteed to be able to sue successfully, but it is a distinct possibility.

Bezalel

11/22/2018 07:44:05 pm

To A Buddhist

If you refrain from using statements of beliefs or beliefs themselves as "evidence" or as "...facts or information" you may grow to be a better buddhist.

11/22/2018 07:57:12 pm

Bezalel: Others have said this, and I respect them greatly for this and other reasons. This advice, therefore, I take much to heart, not merely from you but from others. I try to implement it! Never let it be said that I cannot take constructive criticism. But American Cool "Disco" Dan so enshrouds his constructive criticism in insults that I find it extremely difficult to deal with him.

Rather than saying: "There is evidence, which I believe, to the effect that Jesus after his death went to a hell-realm, where he still suffers", I should gave said either "I believe, as a Buddhist, that Jesus after his death went to a hell-realm, where he still suffers" or "What Jesus may think about me is irrelevant to this discussion".

American cool "disco" dan

11/22/2018 08:42:02 pm

"I believe, as a Buddhist, that Jesus after his death went to a hell-realm, where he still suffers"

There is no basis in Buddhuist tenets for such a belief. Believe in one hand and spit in the other and see which one fills up first. You are dangerously close to claiming clairvoyance. If you want to do that, fine but I will then say "What do I have in my pocket?" Buddhuism has NO teaching on what IF ANYTHING happened to Jesus after his death. Why will you not stop sticking your dick of imaginary doctrine down other peoples' throats?

Again, and again infinity, your belief is NOT EVIDENCE. Your belief is worthless.

11/22/2018 09:34:00 pm

American cool "Disco" Dan: "I believe, as a Buddhist, that Jesus after his death went to a hell-realm, where he still suffers"

Let us parse this sentence, shall we?

I believe, as a Buddhist: As a Buddhist, I take the writings of Nagarjuna to be very important. Within Tibetan Buddhism, he is even called "the Second Buddha."

Jesus after his death: Unless one be Muslim, which I am not, one believes that Jesus died. The Bible and many other sources claim that he died, after all, and it is the nature of humans to die. Furthermore, it is, according to Buddhism, also within the nature of gods to die, albeit after longer lives. Nagarjuna, for example, in his "Letter to a Friend", which is an excellent introduction to Buddhism, asserts that gods die: verses 99-100.
(99) “The color of your body turns ugly; there’s no delight in your seat; your flower garlands wilt; your clothes become smelly; and sweat comes out on your body, which it never did before,”
(100) (These) five early signs that herald your death and shift-down from a higher status appear to celestials in higher status rebirth states, just as signs of death (appear) to humans on earth, heralding impending death.

went to a hell-realm: Nagarjuna, in his Letter to a Friend, says that gods, having died, go to hell-realms: see especially verse 74:
(74) Having attained the extremely great pleasures of the desirable sense objects of the celestial realms, and the pleasures of the state of a Brahma [god], which are free of attachment, you’ll have to entrust yourself, once again, to an unbroken continuum of sufferings from having become the fuel of the flames of (a joyless realm of) unrelenting pain.

Even if it be assumed that Jesus was mere man, Nagarjuna reveals that humans also go to hell realms for their bad conduct:
(30) You mustn’t commit any negative acts, even for the sake of a brahmin, a monk, a god, or a guest, or your father, your mother, your child, your queen, or your retinue. They will not partake of even a share of their hellish ripening.
(31) Although any commitment of negative karmic acts may not cut (you) immediately afterwards like a sword; nevertheless, when the time of death comes, whatever karmic results there will be will become manifest.
Jesus committed many negative acts, including attacking the shopkeepers within the Temple with no legal authority to do so. As a guide to Jesus's bad deeds, consider the book The Bad Jesus: The Ethics of New Testament Ethics, by Hector Avalos. I think that Jesus was a minor god, akin to the earth devas or similar lowly spirits within the Tipitaka [See, e.g., Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta's third to last paragraph (SN 56:11)]. Even if one assert that Jesus was not a god, his negative acts are the type that may condemn people to being reborn in a hell-realm. Admittedly, if one take this view, then it becomes less easy to say with confidence that Jesus is in a Hell-realm after dying, since humans have more flexibility in where they will be reborn after death than gods. That having been said, most being, rather than being reborn as humans, are reborn in lower lives (hell-realms, as pretas/hungry ghosts, or as animals): Nakhasikhā Sutta (SN 20:2).

where he still suffers: Nagarjuna's Letter to a Friend is clear that bad rebirths last for a long time. Pretas/hungry ghosts are alive for 5-10,000 years (verse 91, 96), and their suffering are less severe, both in intensity and duration than those of beings in Hell-Realms: verse 87 says that the sufferings of beings in hell realms last for hundreds of millions of years.

I have no doubt that you can cite other Buddhist texts that talk about the salvific power of Buddhas or certain rites to liberate people from the hell realms, but 2 points I make.
1. I am still able to justify my belief by citing 2 authentically Buddhist texts.
2. Even if one take these accounts of beings being rescued from hell realms literally, they are presented as miracles that defy the normal course of rebirth. Furthermore, non-one has claimed to perform such a rite for Jesus.

11/22/2018 10:41:08 pm

"Even if one take these accounts of beings being rescued from hell realms literally, they are presented as miracles that defy the normal course of rebirth. Furthermore, non-one has claimed to perform such a rite for Jesus."

AGAIN you autist, you are perilously close to claiming clairvoyance. Even in the Buddhuist worldview the idea that a rite is necessary is WRONG.

Prove it, prove it, prove it. Your mere belief is not science or evidence. "The normal course of rebirth"? WTF dude? I hope in the near future a bus gives you the opportunity to prove rebirth.

You yourself have said that you cannot practice Buddhuism because you are physically unable to prostrate. That is trillions of light years from being right from a Buddhuist point of view but you insist on shoving your doctrine dick down everyone's throat. Please stop, won't you?

You might want to establish at some point which of the two Nagarjunas you're referencing but that's a minor quibble. The real problem is your inability to shut your effing yap..

11/23/2018 08:26:03 am

American Cool "Disco" Dan: Wishing that I would die through a bus accident? Truly, you need to calm down.

I practice forms of Buddhism that do not require prostrations: viz., I accept the Three Jewels as my refuge and uphold the Five Precepts. I read and think about Buddhist suttas/sutras and Buddhist shastras. I recite Buddhist mantras and engage in Buddhist visualization meditations. And I rejoice that a Buddha's teaching are preserved within this kalpa and world. Even if I were not practicing Buddhism, this would have no bearing upon the truth or falsity of my statements.

So you think that there are two Nagarjunas? I am familiar with such an argument, and to some degree support it, thinking that Nagarjuna the Philosopher should be separated from Nagarjuna the Alchemist. I am also aware of arguments that the Letter to a Friend was not written by Nagarjuna the Philosopher. While this claim, if true, would somewhat undermine the authority of the poem, it remains a useful summary of Buddhist ethics and rebirth destinations.

I never claimed that a rite was necessary to leave a hell-realm, although admittedly I should have phrased it more carefully, especially given the venom that you spew against any words of mine that you perceive as errors. Rather, the claim was that a rite is necessary if one want to shorten a being's time in a hell-realm. No-one stays in a hell-realm forever, but it is written within certain Buddhist texts that certain rites, when performed to benefit certain beings in hell-realms, will secure their earlier release. In the absence of such rites, people stay in hell-realms for times that are easily longer than the time since Jesus's death. It is possible that Jesus has been released through a rite to release beings from his hell-realm. It may even be possible that Jesus's bad karma is so minor that he already left the hell-realm even with no rite. But no Buddhist claims that such a release rite was performed for him, and I think, based upon what I have read about Jesus's bad deeds and the duration of life-times in hell-realms, that Jesus is still in a hell-realm.

11/23/2018 08:41:04 am

But no Buddhist claims that such a release rite was performed for him
should be
But no Buddhist whom I know about claims that such a release rite was performed for him

American Cool "Disco" dan

11/23/2018 01:50:57 pm

Simply treating you as an equal. You bring it on yourself with your hate speech against Judaism and Christianity and your childish belief in the efficacy of "release rites".

11/23/2018 02:22:18 pm

American Cool "Disco" dan: If I were treating you as an equal, surely I also would be wishing for your death. But the only one talking, even obliquely, about the good that would be if one of us were to die is you.
With regard to “release rites”: Let it be noted that earlier I wrote: “Even if one take these accounts of beings being rescued from hell realms [through “release rites”] literally, they are presented as miracles that defy the normal course of rebirth.” This, in combination with my statements that “the claim was that a rite is necessary if one want to shorten a being's time in a hell-realm. No-one stays in a hell-realm forever, but it is written within certain Buddhist texts that certain rites, when performed to benefit certain beings in hell-realms, will secure their earlier release”, leaves open the possibility that I do not take literally claims about how “release rites” allow beings to leave a hell-realm earlier than they would otherwise. Indeed, I do not take such claims to be literally true – although I believe that “release rites” are spiritually useful to those who engage in them and may alleviate the sufferings of beings in hell realms. Even if I were holding a literal belief about “release rites”, that is no reason to talk about how good it would be for me to die.
About hate speech: We have different definitions of what hate speech is. According to the Criminal Code of Canada’s s 319, however,
(2) Every one who, by communicating statements, other than in private conversation, wilfully promotes hatred against any identifiable group is guilty of
(3) No person shall be convicted of an offence under subsection (2)
(b) if, in good faith, the person expressed or attempted to establish by an argument an opinion on a religious subject or an opinion based on a belief in a religious text;
I am quoting religious texts and trying, in good faith, to establish by an argument an opinion on a religious subject or an opinion based on a belief in a religious text.

11/23/2018 02:42:33 pm

I will just add this to this off topic thread

Awesome humor at Wolters Blog

https://scottwolteranswers.blogspot.com/2018/10/the-lost-templar-journals-of-prince.html

The comments have exploded somewhat lately, with great hilarity.

-No one knew the Sinclairs were Templars because they were super secret Templar spies.
-The Latin etc wording doesn't match the dialect of the day because the journals were copied by a group of Masonic scholars during the Civil war in Greeneville, TN.
- Wolter gets raked over the coals on his Smithsonian BS
and on and on,,,,

11/23/2018 02:57:23 pm

Jim: Thanks for the link and advice. So Wolter thinks that Hebrews visited North America during the 1st century CE. And Mormons are using his researches to support their claims. Fascinating.

11/23/2018 03:26:47 pm

You had me a bit mystified with the term "Wolter thinks".
Might not be the best time to visit his blog, he just went on a rant about hate bloggers and compared Bill Cosby to the Smithsonian.

American Cool "disco" dan

11/23/2018 04:15:38 pm

@Jim: "-The Latin etc wording doesn't match the dialect of the day because the journals were copied by a group of Masonic scholars during the Civil war in Greeneville, TN."

Yes! According to our Scott, "the brethren" not only copied the texts, THEY FUCKING REWROTE THEM!

He literally doesn't understand what "copy" means. Or what a dialect is. Our Scott is a bottomless well of stupidity.

11/23/2018 04:43:54 pm

American Cool "Disco" Dan: I also hope for a good rebirth, although unlike you, I do not use such sentiments as a way to wish for another person's early death.

I do not happen to keep a copy of the statutory definitions and defences of hate speech crimes with me at all times, so you should not use my citation as evidence against me. Rather, I studied hate speech crimes in law school, wherefore I learned about and remembered the statutory defences. In the interest of being more accurate, I quoted the precise language; Canadian statues are easy to look up online easily. If I had erred in citing the defence from memory, you doubtlessly would have mocked me.

As for Wolter, he certainly sets himself and the alleged discovery up to be criticized as partially or wholly inauthentic with his admission that they are not merely copies of (allegedly) older manuscripts but (at best) copies that were consciously improved by the copiers. If the alleged copiers improved upon point X, why not also points A-Z?

11/23/2018 07:21:59 pm

Isn't this fun ?
It seems Muir tried to cash in on the Curse of oak Island first:

https://mynorth.com/2014/12/curse-oak-island-marty-lagina-comments/

",,,,, I’m been trying for the past 6 weeks to contact Marty Lagina with no luck. I’d like to talk to him about my gggfather’s journals, John Weems of Greene Co., TN (road surveyor/engineer) who was asked by his grandfather, the Earl of Weymss in 1785 to visit New Wemyss (known as Oak Island) ,,,,,,,,,,,,John’s journals chronicle his trip to Oak Island in 1785,,,,,,,, Sincerely, Diana Muir, East Moline, IL"

Dan

11/25/2018 04:30:05 pm

"As a Buddhist, I am entitled to believe Buddhist thinkers to be telling the truth."

Oh my God! Shhhhh!!!

Do you hear that?!

It sounds like the tiny cry of a zafu. Calling for your ass.

Sit more. Believe less.

Joe Scales

11/21/2018 11:04:28 am

"The only thing duller than watching old men dig pointless holes is reading about old men digging pointless holes!"

And they're stooping pretty low right from the get go this season. I mean... their metal detector guy finds an old broach with a trace of gold plate and a glass "ruby" on a lot far removed from the alleged "money pit", and they're calling it gold treasure. Add that to the pennies they dug up and it's beyond ridiculous how they spin these meaningless finds.

One of their other projects for the season is wall off the water at Smith's Cove to find the "finger drains". Of course what they won't tell you is that geologist Robert Dunfield already dug up remnants of the finger drains and found they didn't extend past the beach (and as per Dennis King/Richard Joltes, were likely part of an old salt works: http://www.criticalenquiry.org/oakisland/Dennis_King_Mar_2010.shtml). But liars Marty and Rick Lagina are sure to tell us, should they find what's already been found, that it "proves" the flood tunnels exist.

It's sad that the popularity of the show hinges upon the charisma of the Laginas, and that folks can't see them as the fraudulent liars they truly are.

11/21/2018 11:24:19 am

The age of finding wood is over.

The age of finding lost Templar costume jewelry and toy guns has begun.

11/21/2018 12:56:18 pm

Yeah, I think because the stone was red, they linked it to Templars. Seriously.

11/21/2018 01:45:16 pm

Yup, just watched the new episode. Their latest find was red glass, supposedly old, the analyst mentioned that glass makers of yore would keep their colored glass recipes secret. They (The shows announcer) then immediately connected this to secret societies such as the Templars Masons and Rosicrucians.
Red glass = Templars red crosses = Rosicrucians (Rose/red icrucians)

11/21/2018 03:32:54 pm

Yeah, and I thought it was bad when each and every mundane aspect of the island supported the notion of (imaginary) treasure. Now it's Templars. Or should I say (imaginary) Templars...

Henry

11/21/2018 02:31:01 pm

It’s great to make fun of old people.

Dunior

11/21/2018 11:55:42 am

I'm surprised Wilcock took a political side. This will alienate half of the potential idiots who may believe his tripe.

11/21/2018 12:40:20 pm

David Wilcock is staggeringly brilliant. He's pretending to be republican wasp just like trump did in order to get elected.

We're talking mensa on top of mensa level here...the giga society...just....scintillating intellect

Perhaps the solar flash will mutate my brain into such genius territory.

But I'd rather remain a reptilian

11/21/2018 10:55:41 pm

Thanks Jason

Riley V

11/22/2018 03:04:55 am

Wow.
“We are told...that this solar flash...will not occur until Earth is ready...

I’m thinking we should do nothing. Anything we do to prepare for the Solar Flash would seem to speed its arrival. If we postpone any action the flash will be postponed as well.

Happy Thanksgiving Jason, and to all who read and post here.

11/22/2018 09:16:58 am

He wants us to give him money so that he can bring about the end of the world ? I'll pass.

11/22/2018 04:28:31 pm

Immanentizing the Eschaton.

E.P. Grondine

11/22/2018 09:34:18 am

Happy Thanksgiving, Jason.

Your ophthalmologist might enjoy Charlie's Hypothesis: the ancient aliens used Earth as a dumping ground for their retards.

11/23/2018 04:30:23 am

And in the aliens language they are called "Shawnee'.

Finn

11/22/2018 11:56:48 pm

Wait, wait wait.

So, the "aliens" are telling us about this solar flash, as if it's a test. A test that will potentially cause massive damage to our planet's infrastructure, communication, etc. If their idea of a test is to potentially crash our systems, why? If they're benevolent, why not try to help us, or prevent it? If they're wanting it to happen to remove us, why tell us? And if it's a proper test of us as an advanced civilisation worthy of contact - why tell us? If we fail it, it means we aren't ready.

These aliens haven't thought this through very well.

11/23/2018 03:43:21 pm

@Jim: There is even more batshit crazy stuff over at Wolter's blog. http://scottwolteranswers.blogspot.com/2018/10/the-lost-templar-journals-of-prince.html#comment-form

The craziness comes from our Scott and Ms. Muir. People are asking real sensible questions and Scott is no longer exercising his Iron Fist of Control. Of course the Smithsonian conspiracy is still in place, the Masonic hall gets burned down five times.

"" Each time they occupied the city they used the Masonic Hall as a barracks, each time burning it to the ground."

Yeah,,nah, sounds like poor research to me, or outright fiction.
The lodge was gutted by fire in 1856, 5 years before the Civil war.
...[cites a source]...

Do you expect us to believe the Masons kept rebuilding the lodge time after time during the civil war?
... ...
I'm afraid I am out, this all sounds completely bogus to me. Getting answers from you two is like pulling teeth, and the more I learn the more ridiculous this becomes."

Our Scott, who is an idiot, is the crazy gift that keeps on giving.

11/23/2018 07:01:43 pm

"Ask yourself why neither my name nor any of my three books are not mentioned on the Kensington Rune Stone Wiki page..."

11/23/2018 08:40:04 pm

Because he threatened to sue Wikipedia for mentioning him. He needs some pipe-hitting niggers to get medieval on his ass. And I would definitely bring in the Gimp.

11/24/2018 11:09:34 am

Or better put, he didn't threaten Wikipedia for not mentioning him...

11/24/2018 12:59:34 pm

The fun is over, he won't publish any more of my comments. (or so he thinks)
At least Wolter gives an honorable mention to Roderick.

11/24/2018 01:52:11 pm

That's funny! Roderick and I were having a threeway with the corpse of Nagarjuna just the other day and he sends his regards!

Looks like the Iron Fist of Control is back because SOMEONE repeatedly schooled "Brother" Wolter on documented Masonic history, contradicting his make-believe version. Got his prickles up with that stuff.

Stealing from Howard Stern, Scott Wolter is the King of All Stupid.

Doc Rock

11/24/2018 01:53:41 pm

Jim,

It does look like he gets heavy-handed in moderating the board in terms of not allowing people to post further once they get him on the ropes. On the other hand he does allow a lot of posts where he comes out looking very silly in the exchange.

At first I thought it was an issue of being intellectually honest and simply permitting these posts to remain as sort of warts and all perspectives into his "research."

Then I thought it is a matter of economics and he decided that it is worth it to take the hits in order to generate traffic and try to stay relevant in social media. Besides his fans are gonna still doggedly believe what he says no matter how many times he is made to look foolish.

But then it hit me. This guy is so arrogant that he actually believes that any time he makes any effort to respond to someone criticizing him it is an automatic refutation of the criticism. Certainly helps when a couple nutjobs come out of the woodwork to compliment him on how well he is handling himself.

Kind of like a know it all 13 year old who gets their ass kicked in an argument with an adult but then comes away convinced that they really showed 'em, and the high fives and compliments from their 13 year old friends enforces that belief.

He and Muir make a great team.

I shall now engage in the mother of all liquid lunches to try to forget that I ever wasted more than two minutes of my life on Dr. Cement.

11/24/2018 02:39:36 pm

Easily summed up in the maxim "Scott Wolter is an idiot."

If I may make a suggestion, "Doctor Cement-O"?

11/24/2018 05:10:09 pm

A Doctorate of Cementation ?
Sounds like someone was treated to a free coffee with whipped cream again.

Forrest Gump

11/23/2018 05:58:09 pm

And just like that, Wolter got rolled on his own home turf.

Scoobedy do de goo ga goo, this next episode of America Unearthed is brought you by Nighttime Jello Pudding Pops

11/26/2018 10:54:34 am

Now Wolter is throwing Zena Halpern under the bus. When your stories don't match up, pick the one by the person who has passed away to discredit.
Classy

Wolter:

"Because Zena was dealing with a serious illness, she too published her research prematurely and because of that her book is filled with false information."

https://scottwolteranswers.blogspot.com/2018/11/cremona-document-provides-independent.html

Jockobadger

11/24/2018 01:22:33 pm

Just got home from my folks place in N. Idaho - had a very nice Thanksgiving, though I did most of the cooking. My mom has Alzheimer’s and I had NO idea how much work goes into something like that! Had fun anyway. My Huskies beat the Cougars, but for once I was “conflicted” - I hear that Bob Mueller is familiar with that.

Anyway. I read through this thread just now and all I can say is do you people have any idea how truly F-ing crazy it all sounds??

I find myself identifying (sort of) with comments by folks with the initials DiscoDan, Belazel and Machala (mostly) but, well, Jesus.

Can’t we just get back to some nuts and bolts ufo/UAP stuff with a bit of very appropriate Trump-bashing thrown in?

He’s going down, Herr Scales. You do know that?
Sock puppet Pence is in Mueller’s iron sight right now, too. It’s a good time to have a brain and a bit of integrity. MbS is going to bite the right hard.

11/25/2018 10:42:54 am

I don't give a shit about your bullshit politics. Okay? Politics makes you sloppy. There's no truth to it. You take sides and then overlook your own discrepancies. Pointing this out doesn't mean I'm somehow Trumpian. It's too easy to pick on Trump. It's trite as well. But if you want to look like an idiot spouting your political talking points, then by all means, carry on. Just don't expect me to join in, beyond pointing out the folly of it.

bezalel

11/25/2018 10:16:37 pm

Bullshit politics.....
Utter bullshit.
When stupid ignorant people do ignorant things, they also elect stupid ignorant people, who then influence laws. Politics is everything and it's in everything, dipshit.

Why?

Because in this country WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT. There is no separation as most moron Republicans spout when they want to change things by going backward 50 years.

Those stupid ignorant elected people then attempt to defund things like public education and/or scientific exploration, overturn laws and teach goddamn ID as "Science", etc, etc. Many other examples. This affects everything and stunts progress EVERYWHERE, including how our children learn.

So shut up about bullshit politics. Fringe thinking of all types gets everywhere and seeps into politics very quickly, we've been fighting it for decades and it just got 20 times worse in 2017.

Please cite one example of you screaming bullshit politics in order to keep Obama from the discussion; then maybe I'll change my tune.

Maybe

Otherwise, I can't really understand you because your mouth is muffled by your own butt.

11/26/2018 09:44:35 am

Don't want to hear your bullshit politics either.
Imbecile...

Frank

11/26/2018 09:49:08 am

Seems a lot of bullshit is flying around here, politics aside. Sloppy conversations; idiots calling others idiots, and so on! Stay on topic, Jason's topic. It's easy to pick on anyone here, and not just on Trump. And by the way, Trump may soon, as I see the future, be picking on all of you. By a ticket now for the show that never ends...the constant bickering and insults of animals of the streets.

Why, I just love this place, and I knew it the first time I got insulted here, as I said to myself, these are my kind of people....animals like me...masochists who love giving out pain as much as receiving it. And that makes everyone here equal and balanced...all lettuce heads.

Gather around all you clowns, and I hear say, "hey! you got to hide your love away, and come out with the hate."

David Wilcock and others on Jason's target list are nothing but "money-hungry" animals who will say and do whatever it takes for them to make money. And that does not necessarily indicate their true feelings, or beliefs. It's all a show!!!!! Tickets anyone? Brain Salad Surgery!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRr5YQDrQss

American cool "Disco" dan

11/24/2018 02:08:02 pm

I'll do some freelance Trump bashing: Please bear with me Joe. He likes to say things twice. He says things twice. He's hitched his wagon too tightly to MBS who's not a good guy. Not a good guy, and is slightly worse than any other Saudi ruler (I almost typed "leader" there. Hillary-ous!) Remember when Prince Bandar bin Sultan charmed everyone of consequence in Washington society? Also not a good guy. He wasn't good. He's a war criminal for supporting the Saudi war in Yemen and not stopping the illegal (Hillary-ous!) U.S. invasion of Syria. That nonsense needs to stop.

I think strap-ons defeat the whole purpose of lesbianism. Thoughts?

11/24/2018 04:29:23 pm

Please do not mention Hillary and strap-ons in the same post
No and no, my brain truly hurts

And Jockobadger
If Trump falls, I know you do not want Pence. No, no and just effing NO.

This has to be an Agnew/Nixon kind of takedown

11/26/2018 11:06:50 am

Oh Bezalel, I could not agree more! Pence is an empty suit, but a dangerous evangy nonetheless. A double-whammy is definitely called for here. Vlad has something on Pence just like he does on President T (as he's now calling himself) and it will out soon. President Pelosi? In Bob Mueller we trust. He's a Boy Scout and I trust him, the R behind his name notwithstanding.

As for strap-ons and lesbianism.....I'm the first to admit I haven't given this one much thought, but I imagine "strapping up" does provide a bit of a testosterone-ish jolt for the old girl. Who am I to judge?

Keep up the good work, Men! (and Women!) Back to my bullshit politics. They're a lot more satisfying right now than they were a month ago, and only getting better. We may weather this mostly self-inflicted alt right moron storm yet!

11/26/2018 11:34:50 am

"In Bob Mueller we trust."

More folly. It should actually scare the hell out of you that lawyers can be squeezed to rat out their clients and be forced to plead guilty to crimes that aren't actual crimes simply to implicate their clients. But if he takes down a politician you don't favor, that's all good, right?

Serious man. You need to apply skeptical thinking to your own political wants. It's part of life to have a president you don't favor. Grow up.

11/26/2018 01:31:56 pm

Joe, this isn't about taking down a president that I don't favor - I've already lived with a number of those. This is about taking down a stupid, crooked, tax-dodging silver-spooner who has no business being President of any country much less the US. Furthermore, he's surrounded himself with yes-men who are worse than he is, if that's possible.

There's a reason he's so frightened by Vladimir Putin (and the Saudis) and some of us want to know why that is. We have to trust someone to get to the bottom of it all. Who's going to do that, Joe? In my view neither party can be trusted bc it's going to upset the whole corrupt applecart. Mueller is a known commodity - a straight shooter and patriot. He's the man to do it. Right now we're nothing but a bloody laughing-stock.

But, "that's all good, right?" You're really ok with this, Joe? Seriously?

11/26/2018 01:55:14 pm

"Joe, this isn't about taking down a president that I don't favor..."

Uh, yeah it is. And it's boring. It's just too easy to bash Trump and it's overcome every aspect of American life. The sky is not falling; no matter how bad you want it to.