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Erich von Däniken Promotes New Swiss-Based Ancient Astronaut Research Group

11/16/2018

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​By now, most of you have probably heard about the recent paper published in Science identifying a circular depression under the Greenland ice sheet as a crater, likely from a cosmic impact. It was the subject of a lengthy profile on the Science website. Supporters of the Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis have seized upon this as evidence of the impact of a comet at the start of the Younger Dryas and the impetus for the massive climate change seen at that time. Critics note that the crater has not been securely dated and cannot be definitively tied to the Younger Dryas. They also suggest that it is too small to have been the remains of a climate-changing impact, to which supporters counter that it may be one of many craters from a multi-impact event. No other craters of the right age have been associated with the event.
​For what it’s worth, I think it behooves us to remember that the existence or non-existence of the comet and its role or non-role in created the climate change of the Younger Dryas has absolutely nothing to say about the existence of a lost, Atlantis-like civilization at the end of the last Ice Age. If the comet could leave traces of itself in the earth, so, too, should this lost civilization. Even the Denisovans left a couple of bones in a cave. A civilization worthy of the moniker of Atlantis should have some material remains from the right time period, some pollen from their cultivated crops, some bones from their burials—anything, really. Even a comet couldn’t destroy every last trace. After all, Paleolithic artifacts survived the supposed holocaust.
Meanwhile, Erich von Däniken recently appeared in a new YouTube video to promote a relatively new and awkwardly named research organization, Research of Ancient Mysteries and Anomalies for Reevaluation, which goes by the initialism RAMAR. The organization has been operating for a few years now, but has failed to attract much attention until von Däniken began to promote it on behalf of the three Swiss acolytes of his who run it. RAMAR’s website has very little content, and what it has seems to be translated by machine. (The site apologizes for “bad translations.”) For what it is worth, here is how RAMAR describes itself:
For a conscious humanity Ramar is an interactive platform for mankind and its future generations. Cross science concerned people find here more mysterious facts and questions that can not be conclusively answered by officials. The mysteries of the world and of our “universe” are shown here. Everyone should make his own image and question existing opinions of today’s world view. As complementary medicine also interdisciplinary research is the only solution for a healthy understanding of our history and the knowledge for our further path. Philosophically and factual. Our goal is to provide an informative basis in order to promote the extension of our existing non-dogmatic science. Anyone who understands the history, recognizes himself in it …. That something may be wrong, because it should not be, is not a satisfying answer more. We break old patterns of thinking and lead to new horizons. Always strive for scientific knowledge, scientific to provide the closest answer to the discussion. To draw arguments into consideration that the “scientists” withhold on their own. So a new definition of arguments must now be taken into account – for a united “Terrestrialship”. Only after we are capable to control this kindergarten on mother Gaia, we will be ready for a “contact” with our star brothers …   
​For a man with the wealth and resources of Erich von Däniken—who speaks English, mind you, albeit as a second or third tongue—you’d think that he’d put a little more into helping his supposed “friends” to develop content that might stand a chance of reaching an English-speaking audience effectively.
 
In the video introduction to RAMAR released this month, we see the same combination of grandiosity and incompetence. The video presents what it calls (in their capitalization) “Facts about the worldwide Mysteries,” apparently scripted by someone for whom English is not his first language. Around the 1:30 mark, we are introduced to the three brains behind RAMAR, and their heavy Swiss accents, eccentric style, and intense delivery shows the heavy influence of Giorgio Tsoukalos, on whom they seem to be modeling their presentation—to poor effect. They are imperfect copies, each oddly incomplete in his own way. And what could be a more perfect encapsulation of the threadbare quality of RAMAR’s mission than See No Evil, Hear No Evil, and Speak No Evil accusing science of arrogant dogmatism before declaring (in unison!) their video to be “the real X-Files”?
 
“Let’s discover the mysterious facts,” they chant in creepy unison, and like everything else about the video—from the colors to the font choices to the unnecessary justification of the on-screen text, it’s just a little bit off from how professionals would have done it. Frankly, they should have just filmed the video in the original Klingon.
 
After this, von Däniken takes over, identified on screen, ungrammatically, as “Mysteries Bestselling Author.” He repeats a number of silly lies from Ancient Aliens, including the false claim that “every” pyramid at Teotihuacan is perfectly proportioned to represent one of the planets in the solar system, including former planet Pluto. (There are many more than nine pyramids, for one thing.) He talks about Palenque’s supposed “rocket man” engraving, and he speaks of the Nazca “airport,” which he says you “never see” on television—a bizarre claim considering he is a consulting producer on Ancient Aliens, which literally broadcasted these same claims in an episode in which he appeared. 
 
“In RAMAR, the fact is connected with other facts around the world,” von Däniken enthuses. “These three Swiss guys have created RAMAR for the younger generation, not those who still read books. We know the younger generation goes into the internet.” Through its series of tubes, of course.
 
Von Däniken, who used to shill for Tsoukalos’s apparently defunct AAS-RA (a.k.a. Ancient Astronaut Society, a.k.a. Ancient Alien Society), now says that everyone should join RAMAR. “You will be surprised!” he said. 
24 Comments
Doc Rock
11/16/2018 08:42:56 am

Is that lapel pin what I think it is?

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E.P. Grondine
11/16/2018 11:04:34 am

@Doc -

Are you referring to the South American flying fish figurine reproduced in minature?

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CHARIOTS OF THE GODS 50TH ANNIVERSARY EDITION
11/16/2018 11:09:26 am

THIS IS A WORK OF FICTION. NAMES, CHARACTERS, PLACES AND INCIDENTS ARE EITHER THE PRODUCT OF THE AUTHOR'S IMAGINATION OR ARE USED FICTITIOUSLY, AND ANY RESEMBLANCE TO ACTUAL PERSONS, LIVING OR DEAD, BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENTS, EVENTS, OR LOCALES IS ENTIRELY COINCIDENTAL

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Jason Colavito link
11/16/2018 11:12:39 am

That disclaimer started appearing in the 1999 edition, apparently due to a pasting error with the legal boilerplate. How silly that in 20 years, they never bothered to correct it.

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Pacal
11/19/2018 10:36:17 am

That is hilarious and yet so right!!

E.P. Grondine
11/16/2018 11:22:11 am

Hi Jason -

Your comments about the lack of dating (and the lack of a firmly identified impactor) are spot one.

There has been a tendency for many years to elide different impact events, and the press coming off this crater indicates that this is happening again.

I'd like to note in this regard George Howards assertion that the Carolina Bays HAD to have been formed during the 10,850 BCE impact event, and Bill Napier's assertion that the impacting comet HAD to be Comet Encke.

What is firmly known about the Holocene Start Impact Events may be read here:
http://archaeologica.boardbot.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3656
and
http://archaeologica.boardbot.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3668

I'd like to note here that despite the very strong academic credentials of many of the 65 scientists researching this, all of their requests for funding have been rejected. The work has all been done with private money.

So when will have a firm date and firm impactor for this newly identified structure?

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Frank
11/16/2018 11:39:56 am

"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is illusion of knowledge." Stephen Hawking.

Stephen Hawking my eye! Stephen, if he is the source of the quote, has plagiarized from Plato.

"So I left him, saying to myself, as I went away: Well, although I do not suppose that either of us knows anything really beautiful and good, I am better off than he is,– for he knows nothing, and thinks that he knows; I neither know nor think that I know. In this latter particular, then, I seem to have slightly the advantage of him."

"For the fear of death is indeed the pretense of wisdom, and not real wisdom, being a pretense of knowing the unknown; and no
one knows whether death, which men in their fear apprehend to be the greatest evil, may not be the greatest good. Is not this ignorance of a disgraceful sort, the ignorance which is the conceit that a man knows what he does not know?"

"Yes.’ Ignorance is the third source of crimes; this is of two kinds– simple ignorance and ignorance doubled by conceit of knowledge; the latter, when accompanied with power, is a source of terrible errors, but is excusable when only weak and childish. ’True.’"

"Through a similar error men are induced to fancy that their own ignorance is wisdom, and thus we who may be truly said to know nothing, think that we know all things..."

"I am still more afraid of those who apply themselves to this sort of knowledge, and apply themselves badly. For entire ignorance is not so terrible or extreme an evil, and is far from being the greatest of all; too much cleverness and too much learning, accompanied with an ill bringing up, are far more fatal."

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E.P. Grondine
11/16/2018 11:40:09 am

Hi Jason -

Perhaps you may be interested in this for tomorrow's post:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-6393371/Could-Atlantis-Satellites-spot-ancient-ruins-flooded-Spanish-coast.html

I'd like to repeat my suggestion that a nice English translation of Al Idrisi might do well for you.

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Frank
11/16/2018 12:53:39 pm

What a silly article. Why would Jason be interested in it?

'It is unique, nowhere in our world is there anything resembling this, and the structures match exactly Plato's dimensions with no deviation. It is absolutely spot on.'

O really, absolutely spot on? And where is the spot on as far as other dimensions to match exactly with Plato's? For instance:

"...and there was an island situated in front of the straits which are by you called the Pillars of Heracles; the island was larger than Libya and Asia put together,...."

Those computer mock-ups of Atlantis are as "mock-uped" as much as the brains of those "ignorant" Experts at Merlin Burrows. Somebody better tell them to go study Plato.

Perhaps Jason will be the one to officially tell them, as that is the only reason I could think of for which would raise interest in Jason's mind, for that dumb claim on the link you provided. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-6393371/Could-Atlantis-Satellites-spot-ancient-ruins-flooded-Spanish-coast.html

Come on..... "The location of the lost city of Atlantis may finally have been discovered, according to one team of historians.

Really, may have finally been found? These UK experts must not have watched National Geographic, especially that great episode of Atlantis Rising, with Simcha and the Atlantis expert on the filming, Mr. Montexano. http://www.atlantisrising.es/

For sure these experts at Merlin Burrows must not be familiar with the most renowned Atlantis expert and searcher, Thorwald Franke. They do not know that Atlantis is really in Sicily, and not in Spain.

Back to Jason's post; FACTS, FACTS, FACTS.....FACTS? For a fact Erich von Däniken and his three amigos use the term, facts, very loosely.

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E.P. Grondine
11/16/2018 02:50:05 pm

@Frank

You want FACTS?

Well, the fact is that there are remains being studied in SW Spain that most likely reflect an impact tsunami which occurred around 1,000 BCE.

Another fact is the Plato's tale of Atlantis is a moral fable which he constructed.

Finally, another fact is that most of the experts on the Bronze Age Aegean think that Plato's description of Atlantis is a garbled description of Kalliste (Thera).


American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/16/2018 03:17:49 pm

Frank:

"that dumb claim on the link you provided."

Consider the source. It's a great timesaver.

Hal
11/16/2018 12:32:27 pm

In addition to his ability to translate any language, knowing everything in archaeology, history, & anthropology, Jason knows everything about astrophysics and geology.

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Frank
11/16/2018 01:23:57 pm

Not really Hal, Jason does not know everything, you do, apparently, if you know what Jason knows. Does Jason know you?

But seriously, apparently you may be correct, as Jason does not know something in reference to what he said above.

"After this, von Däniken takes over, identified on screen, ungrammatically, as “Mysteries Bestselling Author.” He repeats a number of silly lies from Ancient Aliens, including the false claim that “every” pyramid at Teotihuacan is perfectly proportioned to represent one of the planets in the solar system, including former planet Pluto. (There are many more than nine pyramids, for one thing.)"

For one thing, Jason did not know that the "great" von Däniken, for a fact, simply forgot to tell us about the satellites circling our solar planets....the moons. And that is why there are more than nine pyramids there, for one thing, or another.

I'm just guessing here, as I do not know much about von Däniken's work, and it's merely limited to what I hear being discussed in these great halls of debunking masters. I would never waste my money on any books he may be selling. But I guess that von Däniken, if he has not already thought of this "get-around" on the number 9 issue being raised by Jason, he may take it freely from me; no charge! But Jason will no doubt, eventually, pin down von Däniken and his disciple, crazy-hair Giorgio, by requesting to see the "elephants." As Jason has always, like me, Atlantis on his mind.

"...has absolutely nothing to say about the existence of a lost, Atlantis-like civilization at the end of the last Ice Age."

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Hal
11/16/2018 10:06:54 pm

Yes Jason knows me. We were in college together.

Jason Colavito link
11/16/2018 10:22:01 pm

That seems rather unlikely. I don't recall knowing more than two or three complete jackasses in college and none that would have half so much obsessive interest in my work.

Hal
11/16/2018 10:41:31 pm

Hard to believe but you’re a bigger jerk now than you were then. You liked to hang out with athletes. You are still a creep.

American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/16/2018 11:10:06 pm

Lacking any real evidence I feel comfortable calling this an unrequited crush. Sorry you weren't an athlete Hal! Then perhaps you could have pulled off this move:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXxN_ylX7Tw

Fast Eddie Tilson
11/16/2018 11:53:09 pm

I remember you too, Hal. You used to dress in women's clothes and hand around in bars.

Bezalel
11/16/2018 06:18:42 pm

Hal
Your assertive mischaracterization of what Jason does and does not know is based on your gross ignorance of the nature of knowledge. It is not about the what, but about the HOW.

A degree (BS) is not about obtaining and absorbing a bunch of facts relevant to Archaeology, Chemistry, Physics, Psychology, whatever. Anyone, any garden variety moron, like you, can glean a bunch of facts by fishing the internet, reading books, watching TV, etc.

Taking a degree is about learning the critical thinking skills to test all forms of knowledge.
Preparation, Examination, Exploration, Experimentation, Experience, Discovery, Understanding, Wisdom
This requires proper orientation

It is about learning HOW TO LEARN
Ph.D much more so; changes your brain permanently

I know, way over your head

Read a book a few times and learn how to study and research.
Get a degree
Then you may be qualified to spew

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An Anonymous Nerd
11/16/2018 06:59:09 pm

A remark inspired by nothing save the imagination of the person making it. Rather like Von Daniken's books actually.

-An Anonymous Nerd

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Bezalel
11/16/2018 08:39:07 pm

Lol
Lazy, utterly uninspiring comment.

Good try though

American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/16/2018 09:01:47 pm

Don't be so hard on yourself!

Jockobadger
11/17/2018 06:33:18 pm

Just wanted to chime in that if someone/group is looking for evidence of a tsunami caused by whatever event - they can be readily identified.

When I was an undergrad at the UW in the early ‘80’s, one of our Profs, Brian Atwater, identified Tsunami deposits on the PNW coast generated by a ~9.0 equake near Japan c. 1600. He developed perhaps the entire methodology re: tsunami deposits. Everyone has derived their work from his bc remember, at that time, there was still some controversy re: tectonics, etc. (hard as that is to believe.) He’s brilliant. In any case, if there is sedimentary evidence of a tsunami in Spain - these folks will see it.

I’ll do some checking on it this evening. Thanks!

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Bill Birkeland
11/27/2018 06:53:02 pm

For one summary of Atwater's research, go see:

Atwater, B.F., Musumi-Rokkaku, S., Satake, K., Tsuji, Y.,
Ueda, K. and Yamaguchi, D.K., 2016. The orphan tsunami
of 1700: Japanese clues to a parent earthquake in North
America. University of Washington Press.
https://pubs.er.usgs.gov/publication/pp1707

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