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"Legends of the Lost" Loses Viewers; Plus: Previewing Next Year's Fringe History Books

12/14/2018

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​Legends of the Lost with Megan Fox dropped like a rock in the Nielsen ratings for its second outing this week. Tuesday’s episode, which featured Fox meeting with alternative history icon Graham Hancock and identifying Stonehenge as a prehistoric hospital, bagged just 325,000 viewers, down from 429,000 last week. The miserable ratings secured the show 121st place in the Tuesday ratings race, behind NatGeo’s Life Below clip show special, Animal Planet’s Lone Star Law, Motor Trend TV’s Bitchin’ Rides, and even Travel’s own 9 PM rerun of Expedition Unknown, which 90,000 more people watched than Fox’s 8 PM show, and its 11 PM rerun of Monster Encounters, which 50,000 more people watched.
​The miserable ratings for Fox’s show contrast markedly with the extraordinary outpouring of media coverage for Fox, which extended to dozens more stories this week. All told, many times the number of viewers for the show have been exposed to Fox’s bad ideas and the corrosive fantasy of alternative history through media coverage of Fox’s unwatched show than the show itself has reached. As a result, this means that mainstream journalists are directly responsible for carrying alternative history’s water and purposely choosing to give a platform to Fox’s bizarre ideas about history where the ratings show the public is not otherwise interested in hearing about it. That is the power of the media’s bias for sensationalism and celebrity—agenda-setting in the face of facts.
 
This is really neither here nor there, but on a somewhat related note, I thought it was interesting enough to mention. Inner Traditions is one of the biggest independent book publishers specializing in fringe history and quack science books. I’ve reviewed dozens of their titles, not one of which has been worth reading. But in reviewing their catalog for the spring publishing cycle, I was struck by the marked decline in ancient astronaut, lost civilization, Bible giant, and other fringe history books in favor of a much larger contingent of tomes on chakras, astrology, and mystical healing. I can’t say that it’s part of a larger trend, but given the clockwork regularity with which they have put out books about Atlantis, ancient astronauts, and giants, it is a marked change. I’d love to think that the change came about because they realized how many of their authors, like Frank Joseph, are current or former Nazis and racists, or sympathizers of the same. But I am not so naïve at to think they actually care about that, except insofar as it can create bad publicity in a time when white nationalism is on the rise.
 
According to the catalog, there are still more than a few bonkers history titles coming out this spring. Here are the lowlights:
  • Chandra Wickramasinghe, the promoter of panspermia, will release Our Cosmic Ancestry in the Stars, yet another take on his regular release of indistinguishable pronouncements on panspermia. It will be basically the same as the one he did with Robert Bauval a couple of years ago, Cosmic Womb, also from this same publisher’s Bear & Company arm, but with less material about ancient Egypt.
  • On a similar note, there’s a book about the mystical message of crop circles. How 1990s.
  • Stranger is the fact that Rand and Rose Flem-Ath are still around and publishing books. The pair recycled old material from Charles Hapgood—recycling Brasseur de Bourbourg!—about pole shifts to propose that Atlantis was Antarctica. That was two decades ago. Now they have a new book called The Murder of Moses in which they claim to be following the “research” of Christopher Marlowe—yes, the Doctor Faustus playwright—to propose that Moses was murdered by a magician named Reuel (better known as Moses’s father-in-law Jethro) and replaced with an impostor. They claim that Jethro was a magician trained in Egypt and used sacred Egyptian magic to fake the Burning Bush and invent Judaism as part of a scam and cover-up. Because of course Judaism has to be a fraud. It’s de rigeur over at Inner Tradition to accuse the Jews of being either nefarious world-controllers, dupes, or both.
  • You will of course remember Graham Phillips, whose recent book on the tomb of King Arthur was such an embarrassment back in 2016. (My review: Part 1 and Part 2.) He’s back with another book claiming that Stonehenge secretly encodes all of the recipes for magical botanical cures, and that its builders passed on their wisdom in unbroken succession to the Druids. Sigh. We just went through this with Megan Fox on Tuesday, and I doubt Phillips has uncovered dramatic new proof of Stonehenge as a New Age herbalist shop. Good luck to you if you can prove any of it, but since there are no records, it’s all just speculation and hearsay.
  • Daniel J. Duke, who says he is a descendant of Jesse James and that he has spent twenty years researching the Knights Templar, unsurprisingly has come to believe that Jesse James discovered the secrets of the Knights Templar by following a hidden treasure map encoded with the so-called “Hooked X®” made infamous by erstwhile History Channel host Scott F. Wolter. James learned that the Freemasons were hiding the Templars’ stash of Jewish Temple treasures at Oak Island as well as several locations in the United States, known only to the Founding Fathers. And somewhere the History Channel had an orgasm as it discovered its next series. 

Jesse James and the Lost Templar Treasure: Secret Diaries, Coded Maps, and the Knights of the Golden Circle
isn’t due out until July but is sure to be the only one of these books I’m looking forward to reading. It’s the most batshit crazy of them all. In fact, I want to share the full description of the book because it is such a testament to everything wrong with History Channel-style pseudo-historiography:
The author explains how Jesse James faked his death and lived out his final years under the name James L. Courtney. He uncovers James’ affiliation with the Knights of the Golden Circle, a secret society that buried Confederate gold across the United States, and shows how the hidden treasures coded into James’ maps were not affiliated with the KGC but with the Freemasons, the Knights Templar, and the treasure of the Temple Mount. Using sacred geometry, gematria, and the Kabbalistic Tree of Life symbol, the author explains the encoded map technique used by the Freemasons to hide and later recover treasures, an esoteric template known as the “Veil”. He shows how the Veil template con-firms the locations of Jesse James’ recovered treasures in Texas as well as other suspected treasure locations, such as the Oak Island Money Pit and Victorio Peak in New Mexico.
 
Tracing knowledge of the Veil template back through the centuries, the author reveals the Veil hidden on the cover of a 16th-century book that contains a secret map of the New World and the “hooked X” symbol of the Knights Templar. He shows how the template was used not only to hide treasures but also sacred knowledge and relics, such as within the Bruton Vault, which originally contained secrets tied to Francis Bacon, the Freemasons, the Rosicrucians, and the founding of the United States. Applying the Veil template alongside the esoteric secrets of Poussin’s famous painting, Et In Arcadia Ego, and Cassini’s Celestial Globe, Duke shows how the template reveals other Templar and Freemason treasure sites scattered throughout America and around the world.
​The Knights of the Golden Circle didn’t just “bury Confederate gold.” They actively worked to undermine American democracy, promoted white supremacy, and hoped to create a slave empire ringing the Caribbean to be led by Emperor Maximilian I of Mexico. Naturally we have another book celebrating the glory of bygone racists who are somehow blessed with the secrets of God.
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12/14/2018 09:09:11 am

Hey Jason, I have simple question. Why do you bash ancient astronauts idea although it was created by credible scientists? The creators during 50's/60's were: Matest Agrest, Carl Sagan, Iosif Shklovsky, Hermann Oberth, Henri Lhote, Morris Jessup, Wladimir Avinsky, Aleksander Kondratov, Thomas Gold and Francis Crick? Is that because the most popular 'ancient aliens guys' are Daniken and Sitchin who were not a credible scientists and made many mistakes? Daniken wrote first book in 1968, almost decade after ancient astronaut idea was created by these scientists.

Today we have also many credible scientists who are in favor on ancient aliens idea. It's not like ancient aliens was created by lunatics and only lunatics believed in such thing. Why are you bashing everything related with this subject? I'm sure you know that pretty well, and also guys like Michael Shermer or Ronald Story, that it's possible that we were visited by extraterrestrials. You can't debunk that idea, and also now you can't prove that. So why are you so negative about that? Do you think these scientists who created ancient aliens idea were lunatics?

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Life In The Universe
12/14/2018 10:29:10 am

Life in the universe only exists on Planet Earth, the product of accidental chance.

And humanoids do not exist anywhere else - the beings would have to be similar to humanoids in order to construct and travel in interstellar spacecraft.

Also, there would be necessity to travel faster than the speed of light because of the immense distances involved. Travelling faster than the speed of light would disable the ability to crash into suns and planets and other physical objects in outer space.

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RECTIFY THE MISTAKE
12/14/2018 10:34:34 am

Travelling faster than the speed of light would disable the ability NOT to crash into suns and planets and other physical objects in outer space.

Jockobadger
12/14/2018 12:03:15 pm

I don't even know where to start with this one...….

Jesus! Is that it? Jesus?

By all means, please elaborate.

V
12/14/2018 12:28:45 pm

"Life in the universe only exists on Planet Earth, the product of accidental chance."

It is generally accepted by scientists that life exists elsewhere in the universe, not because the chances are high, but because the universe is so BIG that it is inevitable that the exact same chances that led to life on Earth also happened elsewhere, not once, but many times. The existence of such life does not imply intelligence, advanced technology, or even being anywhere close enough for us to EVER find it.

"And humanoids do not exist anywhere else - the beings would have to be similar to humanoids in order to construct and travel in interstellar spacecraft."

1. Humanoids have evolved in multiple family trees on THIS WORLD ALONE. It is not a single, unbroken line of descent; there are many branches that have since died out. This indicates that the format of our bodies, which we call "humanoid," is likely to have happened on other worlds as well.

2. PHYSICAL similarity is not required to construct and travel in interstellar spacecraft. What similarity is required is largely mental: they must be curious enough to want to explore outside their atmosphere and they must be tool users. And one outside factor: they must live where they can see a sky. (For instance, life forms that live under the ice caps on Europa would be unlikely to develop star travel no matter how advanced their technology, since they wouldn't know anything existed outside the ice.)

"Also, there would be necessity to travel faster than the speed of light because of the immense distances involved. Traveling faster than the speed of light would disable the ability to crash into suns and planets and other physical objects in outer space."

Incorrect. Faster than light travel is not a necessity, or Voyager would not be out there right now. It is entirely possible to send out autonomous long-distance exploration vessels moving at a snail's pace. It is also possible to use a method that circumvents the laws of physics rather than actually going faster than the speed of light--"warp drive," wormholes, and tesseracts are all POSSIBLE according to physics, if not likely or achievable at this time. Furthermore, traveling faster than light does not eliminate your ability to steer. It might impact your ability to SEE an object, since you're moving faster than light waves could reach your eyes, but 1. planets and suns move in predictable courses that you can pre-set your navigation to avoid, and 2. it's theorized that gravitational waves move faster than light and thus could be used to detect objects anyway.

Your science is bad, my dear. Your logic is worse. You have GIGO.

Life In The Universe
12/14/2018 01:00:51 pm

Scientists had to re-write the textbooks following the launching of Voyager I and II during the 1970s. They got a lot of their theories wrong.

Produce the evidence for life outside Planet Earth first. Then report it. Theories can and have been wrong.

Faster than the speed of light
12/14/2018 01:11:31 pm

https://www.quora.com/How-will-spacecraft-avoid-hitting-asteroids-when-traveling-at-light-speed-or-faster

Jockobadger
12/14/2018 02:43:50 pm

Just hold on one minute here, Mr. Life in the Universe!

What in the hell are you talking about?

Rewriting text books? We do that all the time, Chief, but you seem to be suggesting some sort of paradigm-shifting stuff going on?


Please expand on that a bit if you'd be so kind! Thanks!



KI7NNE


V
12/15/2018 01:24:53 am

"Scientists had to re-write the textbooks following the launching of Voyager I and II during the 1970s. They got a lot of their theories wrong."

Technically, they got a lot of their HYPOTHESES wrong. Theories are, in science, not just guesses but things that have been proven again and again and again, the next step down from natural laws. Hypotheses are the things you repeatedly test in order to GET proof and hopefully have it BECOME a theory.

"Produce the evidence for life outside Planet Earth first. Then report it. Theories can and have been wrong."

Actually, it has been provided and reported, most recently that I'm aware of by the Rosetta mission: the existence of the basic building blocks of life on extraterrestrial material, amino acids. They are scattered through our solar system like glitter through a nightclub floor the morning after a bachelor party. The fact that these amino acids, which we once thought were so rare, are in fact proving to be abundant, is EVIDENCE that life exists outside our planet.

Plus, the universe is SO vast that any odds that are above zero are GUARANTEED to be repeated. Life developed on one world, so the chances of life developing are above zero. Therefore, because of the sheer vastness of the universe, it is guaranteed that somewhere out there is another world where all the right factors came together and life began.

Sorry, man, but we are just not as special as you want so desperately to believe. We aren't "alone in the universe," and there are good chances we aren't even alone in our own neighborhood. *shrugs* Not that it's particularly relevant to the question of ancient aliens, because just because something EXISTS doesn't mean it's come to see US.

I don't believe in ancient aliens crap. I DO, however, believe in calling out very bad science, no matter who's spouting it. And you ARE, friend. VERY bad science. "Science" every bit as bad as so-called "ancient astronaut theorists."

Geack
12/14/2018 10:54:26 am

@Question,

Pretty much this entire website answers your question. take some time to look around, read Jason's takes on the various claims. The short,
over- simplified answer: He's a stickler for evidence, and the ancient astronaut claims are based on a combination of misunderstood history, sloppy research, and just plain lies.

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Life In The Universe
12/14/2018 04:41:41 pm

Except that the believers regard basic common sense as a "paradigm shift".....

An Anonymous Nerd
12/14/2018 09:10:48 pm

Ok let's see here....Speaking for myself not for Mr. Colavito. The gist of it is that every piece of evidence an ancient aliens person uses to support that position is better-explained in some earth-bound way. Believing the ancient aliens fantasy requires one to have an ignorance of the ancient cultures the person thinks he or she is explaining. The same goes for Atlantis, Nephilim, or any other similar theory that says "normal humans couldn't do this."

For more details, look for most of the articles on this site; twin books called "Ancient Mysteries" and "Ancient Innovations;" a web-based documentary called "Ancient Aliens Debunked;" a 70s PBS documentary, part of the Nova show, called "The Strange Case of the Ancient Astronauts;" and many other sources. Once you learn what the evidence really is, in the context of the culture that one is trying to explain with reference to aliens, the aliens simply fade away -- and an incredibly interesting and remarkable past emerges.

As to the scientists you cite. Well Mr. Sagan in particular is known for actually debunking these fantasies. He may have believed in them at one point but he debunked it later, including appearing in the Nova documentary I mentioned earlier. Here's Mr. Colavito talking about Mr. Sagan:

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/new-book-claims-carl-sagan-was-an-ancient-astronaut-theorist-badgered-by-government-into-silence

As to the other folks you mentioned, the names are unfamiliar to me but the few I looked into just now....Well, quite simply, they are talking well outside their areas and not absorbing the literature in the fields they are addressing. That's the kindest way to put it.

Academics are perfectly capable of addressing fields outside their own -- but they've got a lot of reading to do first. If they don't bother to do that reading then it's basically like us trying to work in their fields. Doesn't matter how smart they are. Imagine, say, Plato with a computer, and ask him to fix it. He doesn't know what it is, how it works, etc. He's not going to be able to fix it. Similarly give him a copy of John Rawls's "A Theory of Justice." At most he'd be able to give his opinion but there's a considerable distance between him and what he's looking at. He's not going to be able to engage that book in a serious manner besides offering a general opinion.

Mr. Sagan is a great example of someone who realized he was out of his depth and read up until he no longer was.

Also to say the ancient aliens fantasy was created by scientists is a difficult case to make. I don't think the writers of "Morning of the Magicians" were scientists and a lot of modern ancient aliens fantasies can be traced to that book.

-An Anonymous Nerd

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An Anonymous Nerd
12/15/2018 01:58:53 pm

And before I forget again, in terms of founding the ancient astronaut fantasy, we can't forget about HP Lovecraft. (How could I post here and forget about Lovecraft, even for a day or so!) Who definitely was not a scientist.

-An Anonymous Nerd

An Anonymous Nerd
12/14/2018 09:18:01 pm

Oh: The questions about whether or not aliens exist someplace or could possibly have gotten here already, or if they have, are not relevant to the ancient aliens fantasy: That fantasy posts much more specific claims, based on evidence that, when it isn't entirely made up, simply fails to say what its proponents would have us think.

-An Anonymous Nerd

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Theory and belief
12/15/2018 12:36:22 am

Sagan was never a believer, He only theorised.

Direct Contact Among Galactic Civilizations by Relativistic Interstellar Spaceflight

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19630011050.pdf

Accumulated Wisdom
12/15/2018 12:56:42 am

Ladies, Gentlemen, Instigator Trolls,

We have in fact been visited by extraterrestrials many times in the past. We now call them comets and asteroids. Sometimes, these entities get do excited to see us, they burst. No impact necessary. See:Tunguska

Experiencing an airburst is a life altering event. Unfortunately, no super powers. The first thing you feel is the heat wave knocking you back. Followed seconds later by a thunderous boom. Seconds after that...pelted with celestial sand.
Had just a few factors and variables been different...My friends and I could have ended up like one of those Tunguska trees. Vaporized, knocked flat, or a pillar of ash.

In another hundred years, or so...What evidence would be left at Tunguska? In the deserts, we find sheets of green glass. What's left in the forest?


The "vitrified forts" of Northern Europe...Has anyone else noticed how closely their dispersial pattern as shown on the History Channel, matches the blast pattern of Tunguska, as shown on same said channel?

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Jim Davis
12/14/2018 10:08:58 am

"The miserable ratings for Fox’s show contrast markedly with the extraordinary outpouring of media coverage for Fox, which extended to dozens more stories this week."

To be completely fair, the miserable ratings also contrast markedly with the amount of coverage you're giving it.

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Jason Colavito link
12/14/2018 06:19:25 pm

It's a slow period. Like I said in my first review of the show, if the media didn't pay so much attention to it, I probably wouldn't have even covered it. There isn't a lot going on right now in fringe archaeology to compete with it, so I work with what I have.

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Accumulated Wisdom
12/15/2018 02:51:27 am

Actually, Mr. Colavito has a point. "Sex sells"...Right. Some dude thought he could make money by objectifying Ms. Fox. Which as Mr. Colavito has repeatedly pointed out, has failed miserably. This is actually brilliant piece of social commentary.

Personally, I sat through 2 of the dumbest shows, I have ever watched
because of Kinga Phillips. One was an "Antique Roadshow" knock off on Nat Geo, and the other she followed around the "British Dude with the girl's name". That's what my friends call him. Attention Quest...That show was so stupid. Nothing more than that dude stroking his own ego. I know of 5 other brothers that also watched these shows for the same reason I did.

I learned a painful lesson. By objectifying Ms.Phillips, I sat through some of the most painful hours of television in my life. Hours, I can't get back. Lesson Learned.

Joe Scales
12/15/2018 09:31:17 am

"Some dude thought he could make money by objectifying Ms. Fox."

Really? Care to name that "dude"? Ms. Fox is the co-creator, host and executive producer. The rest of the producers are at least half women. Originally, the show was to entitled Mysteries and Myths with Megan Fox. Probably should have left the "myths" part in, but you don't need to go making up new ones because you'd rather assume victimization.

T. Franke link
12/14/2018 04:32:51 pm

A theoretical consideration:

Let us assume, a book really would contain something new. Something groundbreaking. Something, no one expected. A game changer.

Would this book be edited by a bestselling author and editor, and announced months in advance as a groundbreaking book?

IMHO, rather not. The really groundbreaking books are edited silently, and discovered only after they have been edited. Sometimes even much later.

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American Cool "Disco" Dan
12/15/2018 11:01:54 pm

"E.P. GRONDINE
12/8/2018 06:27:17 pm
Jim -

I've never asked them about their college training. But I do know that they know the local sites well enough to have the respect of the local professional archaeologists.

[HAHAHA AMERICAN ARCHAEOLOGISTS SUCK ACCORDING TO YOU SO THEY'RE RESPECTED BY PEOPLE WHO SUCK]

The definitive book on Serpent Mound by Jeff Wilson, former satellite engineer, should be coming out later this year. He did the first LIDAR work on most of the sites here in Ohio.

[NOT ACTUALLY A "SATELLITE ENGINEER]
While you are here, there is something else. The Andaste were assholes, and everyone fought them, and remembered fighting them. I get along well with tribal historians, and that is really the only peer group who matter in this case and in this field.

[NAME ONE WHO IS SEVEN FEET TALL]
I simply pass on what was passed on, keeping my understanding of it separate from what was passed on, along with archaeological, geological, and paleo-climate data.

Jason writes about the nuts Fletcher and I have to deal with all of the time.

[HEY LAURA! LAURA YOUR HEAD ONTO DEEZ NUTS!]

JIM
12/8/2018 08:23:49 pm
Oh please, just stop already:

"The definitive book on Serpent Mound by Jeff Wilson, former satellite engineer, should be coming out later this year. He did the first LIDAR work on most of the sites here in Ohio."

Who decided it was the definitive book before it is even published ?? LOL
Jeff Willson,,,,,,the crop circle guy ? The guy who gives lectures at Megalithomania Conferences, along with the likes of Graham Hancock and Childress ?
You are like Wolter, trying to legitimize pseudo using woo peddlers and ignoring legit sources."

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Joe Scales
12/14/2018 08:13:10 pm

"Jesse James and the Lost Templar Treasure: Secret Diaries, Coded Maps, and the Knights of the Golden Circle isn’t due out until July but is sure to be the only one of these books I’m looking forward to reading. It’s the most batshit crazy of them all."

Agreed. The pièce de résistance however, will be when Wolter sues him.

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Jim
12/14/2018 10:25:17 pm

I'm not sure "Batshit crazy" is a strong enough descriptor for some of this stuff anymore.
Jesse James and the Templar treasure ? Add in Larry, Moe and Curly Joe and that might just be a winner.
Will this Daniel J. Duke guy do the impossible and make Wolter appear more sane by comparison?,,,,,,,,,nah.

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Accumulated Wisdom
12/16/2018 10:37:16 am

Crop Circles, in my opinion, is one of the best cover stories ever conceived. They started as simple circles with some anomalies present. "They had to be created from someone in the dky." Someone cried out, "ALIENS DID IT!" .Inspiring folks to channel their inner Stan Herd, and became anonymous crop artists. People soon forgot the simple circle. Due to negative publicity, and nutty people, if found, not reported. Of course those anomalies from the original simple circles can be faked. There is another possibility.

IF...someone has a satellite capable of emitting a rotating microwave beam... occasionally needing a test...a simple crop circle might be the result. Or...👽

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Joe Scales
12/16/2018 11:46:30 am

"IF...someone has a satellite capable of emitting a rotating microwave beam... occasionally needing a test...a simple crop circle might be the result. Or...

… some rope and boards.


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An Anonymous Nerd
12/16/2018 04:01:17 pm

We know ropes and boards exist, we know their properties as relates to making crop circles, we know they have been used to make crop circles. There's no real need to suggest a "rotating microwave beam," at all. There's only 3 Google hits for that as an exact phrase, all of which appear at first blush to be refer to the beams being used as a scanning technology. Not making crop circles.

Fewer assumptions, and more proof of them, as relates to the ropes and boards.

-An Anonymous Nerd

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Accumulated Wisdom
12/16/2018 06:23:19 pm

Note to self: Ropes and boards do not account for, nor do they cause documented effects within early circles in crops and dust.(heating/bursting) Long before the anonymous Stan Herd wannabes got involved. Made same speculation in different forum several years back. Boards and rope, or death from above? ⚡

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An Anonymous Nerd
12/16/2018 06:48:27 pm

Here's the "microwave" theory being discussed, and here is a crop circle maker debunking it.

https://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2011-08/popsci-qampa-using-modern-tech-make-crop-circles

The person putting forth the theory, Richard Taylor, seems a legitimate scientist, but he also seems to be doing something I've seen real scientists do before: Forgetting science to create an explanation that's too elaborate relative to the need. (I remember James Randi talking about how scientist friends of his would invent elaborate, and expensive, scientific explanations for the simplest illusions.)

Looks like there's a Youtube video and some fringe sites arguing that it's possible to make crop circles using this kind of technology. And, even then, no aliens required. And that's assuming that these sources are accurate.

But as I've pointed out already: no advanced technology required either. So why bother going there? Boards and ropes do the trick and make more sense.

Interestingly I don't recall hearing about "signs of heat" in old crop circles until just now, even in the fringiest material I have been exposed to over the years...So this feels to me like the un-sourced claims of radiation at ancient sites.

-An Anonymous Nerd

Accumulated Wisdom
12/18/2018 03:34:59 pm

Note to self. Been reading fringe material for 39 of my 44 years of existence. Ever since seeing a daylight UFO with grandparents and Aunt & Uncle at age 5. NO ONE is capable of Googling my imagination, thoughts, or ideas. Damn, Son...You were considering this stuff during High School football practice in 89. Imagining a rotating microwave laser fired from a space based platform.

Early simple crop circles showed signs of heat exposure, and exploded nodes with visible burns, along with a few other elements unachievable with ropes and boards.⚡

Joe Scales
12/18/2018 08:52:15 pm

So what you're saying is that at forty-four years of age, you're just as ignorant and gullible as you were at age five.

Got it.

Kal
12/16/2018 04:34:57 pm

The Drake Equation and the Fermi Paradox are testable hypothesis in science. It is highly likely that the first two points on those data are proven. The first is, is there life? Well, Earth has life on it, so yes. There is life. The second relates to how common life is, planets around stars follow, and we have detected planets around stars, where they could be habitable. It is only hypothesis at this point if they are.

Science and literary theory are different. In science you haver to have a testable hypothesis. In literature, you do not, but merely have to have established scholarly opinion.

Part of the paradox isn't a paradox. Given sufficient time and training, humans can do anything they set their minds to. It is likely other life forms on Earth also could, or be uplifted to be, sentient, and tool users. So it is therefore likely elsewhere in the galaxy.

Current probes in our solar system have indeed detected the building blocks of life, but not sentient life, not yet. Methane, water, ammonia, and other compounds have been found of other planets and moons in our solar system, so it is likely there is something alive under permafrost out there, or deep inside planets and moons.

Any sufficiently advanced species would be to us indistinguishable from magic, Clarke said. It may be with many red dwarf stars close to us, which are older than the Sun, that they have very old or even long gone life forms there.

Our closest red dwarf star is Proxima Centauri, which has a possibly habitable planet. It is 4.22 light years off. It neighbors two other Sun like stars, far enough off both could support terrestrial planets, but none have yet been found. Proxima orbits the A and B stars every million or so years, while A and B orbit each other ever 80 years. They could have Earths in orbit of them. But we don't know yet.

Considering the speed that technology and such has progressed, it is highly likely we will solve the questions of gravity and at least sublight travel in a century, and take slow boats to that close by star.

It would be a profound arrogance to assume Earth is the center of anything, and that humanity is the upmost being anywhere. We are as Sagan speculated, bit like grains of sand of a cosmic beach.

It is not 'if we find ET" it is "when" we find them, or as Hawking speculated, we might not like it "if they find us first".

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An Anonymous Nerd
12/16/2018 07:26:12 pm

Most of this stuff, having to do with the potential existence of alien cultures and life generally, has nothing to do with the ancient aliens fantasy. This fantasy asserts (paraphrasing the great definition used for the film "Ancient Aliens Debunked) that aliens have visited earth in the ancient past, made contact with humans, were responsible for many of humanity's ancient achievements, and that ancient records, legends, and sites have evidence of that contact.

And that fantasy is disproved simply by finding better and earth-bound explanations for the same stuff.

-An Anonymous Nerd

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American Cool "Disco" Dan
12/16/2018 07:39:10 pm

And we already have "sublight travel" and there is no "question of gravity" to solve. Accelerate at one G, decelerate at one G, indistinguishable from normal Earth gravity.

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Kal
12/16/2018 08:31:47 pm

Science fiction fantasy posits that if we can figure out how to manipulate gravity, mass, and motion, an circumvent physics somehow (seems like magic now), warp drive, wormholes, unlimited resources, we can build FTL ships and the stars can be visited.

The question of gravity should probably have been the question of transit through space time. In space time, you cannot travel faster than light, unless you circumvent physics. Travel at FTL speeds would destroy the ship, unless we can figure out how to place it outside of space time, our of gravity, and out of the buildup of mass with time you get before the ship turns into energy, at the square of the speed of light that turns mass into energy. It is currently science fiction.

So are ancient aliens.

Theories of if there are aliens are not theories, but speculations and hypothesis until we meet them.

There is no evidence of ancient aliens actually coming, true. Nobody has proven they were here.

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Doc Rock
12/17/2018 05:41:34 pm

Hidden confederate gold, hidden jay hawker gold, hidden plantation owner gold, hidden Union gold, hidden prominent Yankee farmer gold. I guess that during the civil war pretty much everyone had a croaker sack full of gold buried somewhere.

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        • Sanchuniathon
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        • Syncellus's Enoch Fragments
        • The Book of Enoch
        • Slavonic Enoch
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        • Aelian's Various Histories
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        • Chinese Accounts of Rome
        • Ancient Chinese Automaton
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        • Fragments of Panodorus
        • Annianus on the Watchers
        • The Watchers and Antediluvian Wisdom
      • Medieval Texts >
        • Medieval Legends of Ancient Egypt >
          • Medieval Pyramid Lore
          • John Malalas on Ancient Egypt
          • Fragments of Abenephius
          • Akhbar al-zaman
          • Ibrahim ibn Wasif Shah
          • Murtada ibn al-‘Afif
          • Al-Maqrizi on the Pyramids
          • Al-Suyuti on the Pyramids
        • The Hunt for Noah's Ark
        • Isidore of Seville
        • Book of Liang: Fusang
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        • Book of Thousands
        • Voyage of Saint Brendan
        • Power of Art and of Nature
        • Travels of Sir John Mandeville
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        • Al-Biruni on the Great Flood
        • Voyage of the Zeno Brothers
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        • Atlantis >
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          • W. Scott-Elliot >
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          • Miscellaneous Lost Cities
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        • The Many Wives of Jesus
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        • On the Person of Jesus Christ
      • Giants in the Earth >
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          • Fossil Teeth and Bones of Elephants
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          • Fossils and the Supernatural
          • Fossils, Myth, and Pseudo-History
          • Man During the Stone Age
          • Fossil Bones and Giants
          • American Elephant Myths
          • The Mammoth and the Flood
          • Fossils and Myth
          • Fossil Origin of the Cyclops
          • Mastodon, Mammoth, and Man
        • Fragments on Giants
        • Manichaean Book of Giants
        • Geoffrey on British Giants
        • Alfonso X's Hermetic History of Giants
        • Boccaccio and the Fossil 'Giant'
        • Book of Howth
        • Purchas His Pilgrimage
        • Edmond Temple's 1827 Giant Investigation
        • The Giants of Sardinia
        • Giants and the Sons of God
        • The Magnetism of Evil
        • Tertiary Giants
        • Smithsonian Giant Reports
        • Early American Giants
        • The Giant of Coahuila
        • Jewish Encyclopedia on Giants
        • Index of Giants
        • Newspaper Accounts of Giants
        • Lanier's A Book of Giants
      • Science and History >
        • Halley on Noah's Comet
        • The Newport Tower
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        • The Deluge
        • Crown Prince Rudolf on the Pyramids
        • Old Mythology in New Apparel
        • Blavatsky on Dinosaurs
        • Teddy Roosevelt on Bigfoot
        • Devil Worship in France
        • Maspero's Review of Akhbar al-zaman
        • The Holy Grail as Lucifer's Crown Jewel
        • The Mutinous Sea
        • The Rock Wall of Rockwall
        • Fabulous Zoology
        • The Origins of Talos
        • Mexican Mythology
        • Chinese Pyramids
        • Maqrizi's Names of the Pharaohs
      • Extreme History >
        • Roman Empire Hoax
        • American Antiquities
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        • England, the Remnant of Judah
        • Historical Chronology of the Mexicans
        • Maspero on the Predynastic Sphinx
        • Vestiges of the Mayas
        • Ragnarok: The Age of Fire and Gravel
        • Origins of the Egyptian People
        • The Secret Doctrine >
          • Volume 1: Cosmogenesis
          • Volume 2: Anthropogenesis
        • Phoenicians in America
        • The Electric Ark
        • Traces of European Influence
        • Prince Henry Sinclair
        • Pyramid Prophecies
        • Templars of Ancient Mexico
        • Chronology and the "Riddle of the Sphinx"
        • The Faith of Ancient Egypt
        • Spirit of the Hour in Archaeology
        • Book of the Damned
        • Great Pyramid As Noah's Ark
        • Richard Shaver's Proofs
    • Alien Encounters >
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        • Fortean Society and Columbus
        • Inquiry into Shaver and Palmer
        • The Skyfort Document
        • Whirling Wheels
        • Denver Ancient Astronaut Lecture
        • Soviet Search for Lemuria
        • Visitors from Outer Space
        • Unidentified Flying Objects (Abstract)
        • "Flying Saucers"? They're a Myth
        • UFO Hypothesis Survival Questions
        • Air Force Academy UFO Textbook
        • The Condon Report on Ancient Astronauts
        • Atlantis Discovery Telegrams
        • Ancient Astronaut Society Telegram
        • Noah's Ark Cables
        • The Von Daniken Letter
        • CIA Psychic Probe of Ancient Mars
        • Scott Wolter Lawsuit
        • UFOs in Ancient China
        • CIA Report on Noah's Ark
        • CIA Noah's Ark Memos
        • Congressional Ancient Aliens Testimony
        • Ancient Astronaut and Nibiru Email
        • Congressional Ancient Mars Hearing
        • House UFO Hearing
      • Ancient Extraterrestrials >
        • Premodern UFO Sightings
        • The Moon Hoax
        • Inhabitants of Other Planets
        • Blavatsky on Ancient Astronauts
        • The Stanzas of Dzyan (Hoax)
        • Aerolites and Religion
        • What Is Theosophy?
        • Plane of Ether
        • The Adepts from Venus
      • A Message from Mars
      • Saucer Mystery Solved?
      • Orville Wright on UFOs
      • Interdimensional Flying Saucers
      • Flying Saucers Are Real
      • Report on UFOs
    • The Supernatural >
      • The Devils of Loudun
      • Sublime and Beautiful
      • Voltaire on Vampires
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      • Thaumaturgia
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      • Defining a Zombie
      • Dread of the Supernatural
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      • Werewolves and Vampires and Ghouls
      • Science and Fairy Stories
      • The Cursed Car
    • Classic Fiction >
      • Lucian's True History
      • Some Words with a Mummy
      • The Coming Race
      • King Solomon's Mines
      • An Inhabitant of Carcosa
      • The Xipéhuz
      • Lot No. 249
      • The Novel of the Black Seal
      • The Island of Doctor Moreau
      • Pharaoh's Curse
      • Edison's Conquest of Mars
      • The Lost Continent
      • Count Magnus
      • The Mysterious Stranger
      • The Wendigo
      • Sredni Vashtar
      • The Lost World
      • The Red One
      • H. P. Lovecraft >
        • Dagon
        • The Call of Cthulhu
        • History of the Necronomicon
        • At the Mountains of Madness
        • Lovecraft's Library in 1932
      • The Skeptical Poltergeist
      • The Corpse on the Grating
      • The Second Satellite
      • Queen of the Black Coast
      • A Martian Odyssey
    • Classic Genre Movies
    • Miscellaneous Documents >
      • The Balloon-Hoax
      • A Problem in Greek Ethics
      • The Migration of Symbols
      • The Gospel of Intensity
      • De Profundis
      • The Life and Death of Crown Prince Rudolf
      • The Bathtub Hoax
      • Crown Prince Rudolf's Letters
      • Position of Viking Women
      • Employment of Homosexuals
      • James Dean's Scrapbook
      • James Dean's Love Letters
      • The Amazing James Dean Hoax!
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