Nephilim Theorists and Ancient Astronaut Believers React to Charlottesville; Plus: David Wilcock Plots Return After Three-Month Hiatus

8/15/2017

Over the past several months, I have chronicled the fact that Nephilim theorist L. A. Marzulli is a right-wing bigot with a mockingbird’s ability to repeat whatever slime the alt-right noise machine has thrown against the wall that day. His favorite targets are liberals, gays, and Muslims, and he has used his blog to condemn all three groups for every act of violence undertaken by a member of them. It goes without saying that when a Nazi sympathizer killed a woman at an anti-racist counter-protest in Charlottesville this weekend, Marzulli remained silent. He did not condemn the Nazis marching for white power, nor did he condemn the anti-Semites marching to eliminate “Jewish influence” from America. What he did complain about, however, was the media’s treatment of Donald Trump after Trump initially failed to condemn by name the white supremacist groups marching.

The same issue arose across the panoply of fringe conspiracy types, where a dividing line emerged between hard right types with squishy views on white supremacy and the more opportunistic element that isn’t yet completely down with Nazis. Marzulli’s video and touring colleague, Nephilim theorist and Christian opportunist Steve Quayle, took to Twitter to say that he believed the Charlottesville incident to be the work of the CIA, using “MK Ultra” brainwashing to create the attack in order to bring down Trump. He also blamed Democrats for the Nazi march because Jesus, as you know, is a Republican:

Q-ALERT
The C-Ville riot was an orchestrated event,by a federal judge in cooperation with the Dem mayor and... https://t.co/nAE31prkJv
— Steve Quayle (@steve_quayle) August 14, 2017

Alex Jones, reprehensible as always, laid blame for the violence on the Jews, claiming that hooked-nose Semites were masquerading as Aryans to stir up violence at other events and therefore are probably behind this one, too: “Nothing against Jews in general, but they are leftists Jews that want to create this clash and they go dress up as Nazis. I have footage in Austin – we’re going to find it somewhere here at the office -- where it literally looks like cast of Seinfeld or like Howard Stern in a Nazi outfit. They all look like Howard Stern. They almost got like little curly hair down, and they’re just up there heiling Hitler.” Jones also said that he protested the KKK until he discovered that its members are all “federal agents” pretending to be racists.

What does it say about fringe historians that Giorgio Tsoukalos is the voice of reason?

...just a reminder of what side we chose back then. The reason why it is so important to study history is so we don't repeat past mistakes. pic.twitter.com/hDfV0oNOke
— Giorgio A. Tsoukalos (@Tsoukalos) August 12, 2017

This is astonishing because Tsoukalos has repeatedly participated in documentaries celebrating Nazi science, praising the research of Neo-Nazi fringe historians, and alleging that the Nazis are the special recipients of extraterrestrial revelations. Apparently there are limits when fantasy gets too real.

Meanwhile a fellow ancient astronaut theorist is planning a comeback after dealing with what he described as “personal issues.” Many of you will remember that when David Wilcock released his autobiographical book several months ago, he admitted to what he said were undiagnosed mental health problems. Over the past few months, he has dropped from public view following the debacle created by his endorsement of the so-called Pizzagate conspiracy, in which he followed Alex Jones and other alt-right conspiracy theorists in accusing liberals and Democrats of running a massive child pornography and child slavery ring out of pizza restaurants, adding that it occurred at the behest of space aliens who drink the blood of children. After the conspiracy theory collapsed in the face of facts, and a gunman inspired by the conspiracy theory opened fire in the pizza restaurant, Wilcock pulled away from social media, restricting his public appearances only to paid events and paid television work on Ancient Aliens and his Gaia TV program. As of today, Wilcock has not repudiated Pizzagate and in fact referred to his “exposure” of the conspiracy approvingly in his latest blog post.

Wilcock has now divulged that he has experienced exhaustion and mental health issues following what he claims is two-decades of full-time obsession with fringe history and psychic phenomena, an obsession he calls an “addiction” that he believes is the result of displacing his marijuana addiction onto fringe history and conspiracy theories. He says that his diet of reading two books a week and conducting psychic readings every other day from 1998 to 2005 left him mentally drained. He also lamented his lack of financial success, complaining that psychic readings left him making poverty wages. His more recent schedule of filming Ancient Aliens and his Gaia TV show while also promoting a wide range of rightwing conspiracies has, he said, exhausted him. He added that his obsession with reading all of the hateful comments about him on the internet has left him with deep depression and unable to function, necessitating a multi-month break to regain his mental composure.

The problem is that I want very much to be sympathetic, but it is very hard when Wilcock is, by his own admission, suffering from mental health issues but nevertheless has chosen to deal with them in ways that seem guaranteed to lead to darker times. Wilcock has chosen not to seek conventional treatment, and instead he lays the blame for what he describes as his depression and occasionally self-sabotaging behaviors on Edgar Cayce. He claims that his own problems are the result of “heavy-duty past-life karma” he acquired as the reincarnation of Cayce, whom he blames for becoming drunk with power and living a poor life. He says that space aliens and/or shamanic powers are purposely driving him into suffering and pain to seek retribution for Cayce’s sins.

Anyway, after a three month break (did anyone notice?), Wilcock is plotting a return to full-time promotion of his brand. He announced plans to launch a new live YouTube channel, with upgraded production values so that his live streams will resemble a professionally produced television show, similar to what L. A. Marzulli is already doing with his Nephilim / alt-right broadcasts.

66 Comments

ross

8/15/2017 11:14:05 am

Apprently reporting on the actual causes of these events makes you a hateful bigot....

Seriously what misinformed, unintelligent snowflake wrote this garbage?

Filled with misinformation....Strawmen arguments...An of course, riddled with teenage emotion.

Any word about ANTIFA in here? The George soros terrorist group?

Any mention of the political threat of Zionism? Of course not.

Lurker Un-Cloaking

8/15/2017 12:14:55 pm

There are a couple of good trolls here, fella.

You're not good enough at it to sniff their shoes.

But I suppose you're used to embarrassing yourself.

Still, it would save time for all concerned, and effort for you, if you just 'Hi, people, I'm a fucking idiot asshole!' and then went off to abuse yourself in private.

8/15/2017 01:16:39 pm

Thanks for proving me wrong with such an insightful comment.

8/15/2017 01:29:52 pm

Seriously, schatzi, just do it in private. Nobody wants to watch, not even you.

Ross

8/15/2017 02:21:27 pm

Thanks for that second fantastic response you sure to make an air-tight argument pal!

I guess Zionism was fake all along huh? haha

8/15/2017 03:18:00 pm

You have not put forward an argument. You have merely allowed the delusions rattling within your skull to ooze out from your fingers like a sort of grocery list of items to be found in comments sections of the more fevered forums on the inter-tubes.

Such gestures of mental irritation are not thoughts, and do not even resemble thought very closely. They certainly are not statements of fact, or arguments based on fact, which anyone is obligated to engage seriously.

They are on one level merely occasions for amusement, a spectacle you provide for the entertainment of people in a mood to laugh and point at a poor clown.

But they are on a deeper level a display of self-mortification on your part (for you only expect to be jeered at and scorned, and that is the little thrill you get from making such postings), a pathetic attempt to involve unsuspecting bystanders in your private kinks, because you haven't the charm to attract partners or the nerve and substance to employ professionals.

8/15/2017 03:25:02 pm

Oh man this is hilarious, you are a rather pretentious fella aren't you? You seem to be gifted in name calling ,I tip my hat in recognition of such talent however quantity does not equal quality and I am confused as to why you would even bother to write so much meaningless drivel?

Teenage loneliness combatted with poetry class by any chance?

Regardless of all that, I noticed you ignored that final part...Zionism, your thoughts please? How are you going to wriggle out of this one? Play ignorant as to what Zionism is? Most likely it wont be playing at all, I am sure you are already speaking from ignorance but please prove me wrong little guy

8/15/2017 03:42:37 pm

You yelp nice when stung, schatzi.

It amuses me, but it's also boring.

I suspect boredom is going to win....

8/15/2017 03:48:07 pm

If I gave you the opinion I have yelped I apologise for misleading you.

So just to confirm when questioned about Zionism you chose to flee? Very interesting.

Are you telling me Zionism is not real? Or poses no threat? I am confused? Wriggle for me worm

8/15/2017 03:58:40 pm

You haven't got what it takes for credibility with that tone, schatzi.

The 'please kick me' sign is tattooed so deep you can never pass for someone on the other end of the stick.

BigNick

8/15/2017 12:39:26 pm

The real cause of these events is ignorance and a narrow world view.

Riley V

8/15/2017 06:30:58 pm

Exactly

An Over-Educated Grunt

8/15/2017 02:46:25 pm

No no, let him talk! Go on, please, I want to hear all about the dangers of Zionism. Explain this to us, please. I eagerly await your explanation.

8/15/2017 03:37:53 pm

Read the Protocals of Zion. Study the US/UK/Israel relation

Israel interestingly enough younger than my granddad and one of the most powerful nations on earth, politically the most important....Unusual huh? Considering the declaration of Israel was written to a Rothschild, another fascinating little detail.

So Jews somehow managed to get the UK to create a country for them...And they own all the media and banks.

Yeah Zionism is a lie :)

8/15/2017 04:39:54 pm

Ah. You're a parrot. How disappointing, that the best you can offer is sly hints and "where there's smoke there's fire," without even the courage of your convictions to come right out and say "the Jews are our misfortune." You repeat what you've been told but you don't even have a clear understanding of your own points.

The Protocols are a well-known forgery, Israel is neither the most powerful nor the most important nation in the world, and Britain actively resisted the formation of Israel to the point that the big reason the US backed Israel was to keep the Soviets out.

Try again.

8/15/2017 06:36:55 pm

Should it ever come back, Sir, it might attempt some more railing concerning the Balfour Declaration, a document from the U.K. government in 1917 declaring it policy to establish a 'Jewish national home' in Palestine. The obscure formulation, well short of 'Jewish state' was deliberate, as at the time England was angling for colonies in the region, as was France.

Oddly enough, the document arose out of the anti-semitic prejudices common among the governing strata of England (and most Western countries) at the time. It was widely believed that the 'hidden hand of Jewish finance' was allied with Germany in the Great War, seeking vengeance for pogroms, and that Bolshevism was their weapon for Russia's destruction. It was also believed in important parts of the English government that the 'Young Turks' in control of the Ottoman Empire were pawns of secret Jewish interests. The Balfour declaration was accordingly conceived as a peace offering to the covert power of Jewish finance, with the expectation that in exchange, the Bolsheviks would be called off, and the Turks nobbled a bit. A policy, in short, of delusion piled upon delusion. I know this sounds fantastic, but it is laid out cold and sourced impeccably in "A Peace to End All Peace' by David Fromkin. It is a history of the Middle East in the Great War and immediately after, till 1922, and he is a well respected professor at Boston University. I recommend the book without reservation. It is a very informative, and even entertaining, read.

Americanegro

8/15/2017 11:16:21 pm

"No no, let him talk! Go on, please, I want to hear all about the dangers of Zionism. Explain this to us, please. I eagerly await your explanation."

Let's simply look at the Jewish scriptures and review the story of the Hebrew invasion of Canaan and slaughter of the Canaanites.

Jews should get out of Israel and give the Arabs all the room they need to slaughter each other. They seem to enjoy it. They don't mind a boot on their neck as long as it's a Muslim boot.

READER

8/16/2017 09:40:52 am

Read books by Kevin B. Macdonald, for example "A People That Shall Dwell Alone: Judaism as a Group Evolutionary Strategy, with Diaspora Peoples".

8/16/2017 10:02:08 am

You mean this guy, 'Reader'?

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/kevin-macdonald

'MacDonald started the new millennium off with a bang when he agreed to testify as an expert witness for the British Holocaust denier David Irving in a London libel trial. Irving had sued American professor Deborah Lipstadt and her publisher, Penguin Books, claiming that she had defamed him in her 1993 book, Denying the Holocaust. (Irving ultimately lost the internationally watched trial, with the judge ruling that he had "a distinctly pro-Nazi and anti-Jewish bias.") Irving sought out MacDonald's "expert" testimony on Jewish behavior and MacDonald was happy to comply, flying to London in January 2000. During testimony, Irving asked MacDonald if he "perceived the Jewish community as working in a certain way in order to suppress a certain book." MacDonald answered in the affirmative and added that there were "several tactics the Jewish organizations have used." MacDonald later wrote about his decision to testify in an article published in the Journal of Historical Review, a well-known Holocaust denial journal published by the Institute for Historical Review in California. In the article, MacDonald wrote that Jews undertake various strategies against their "enemies." One is to distort history by presenting "Jews and Judaism in a positive light and their enemies in a negative light, often with little regard for historical accuracy."

'Media reports about MacDonald's testimony hit CSULB like an earthquake and led to some soul-searching among evolutionary psychologists who had worked closely with the maverick psychology professor. Steven Pinker, the Johnstone Family Professor of Psychology at Harvard University, wrote that MacDonald's work fails "basic tests of scientific credibility." Another scientist, John Tooby, who, along with his wife Leda Cosmides, gave the field of evolutionary psychology its name in 1992, directly challenged MacDonald's work. Tooby told Salon.com in 2000 that "MacDonald's ideas — not just on Jews — violate fundamental principles of the field." John Hartung, the associate editor of the Journal of Neurosurgical Anesthesiology and an associate professor of anesthesiology at the State University of New York, called MacDonald's The Culture of Critique "quite disturbing, seriously misinformed about evolutionary genetics, and suffering from a huge blind spot about the nature of Christianity."'

8/16/2017 10:11:57 am

Read the book and make up your own mind, do not attack the author.

8/16/2017 10:37:46 am

Thanks for the laugh, precious.

Description is not attacking, and it is, as you may eventually learn, wiser to focus on what a man does more than on what he may say. He moved to defend a holocaust denier, and published in a journal devoted to holocaust denial.

8/16/2017 10:57:11 am

You make it sound like he murdered someone.

Clete

8/15/2017 12:22:41 pm

David Wilcock's complaints remind me of a story I once heard. A man, suffering from depression, finally sought professional help. The psychologist had him sit down and asked him what his problem was. He answered that he was depressed about his job.

"What is it you do?" the psychologist asked.

"I work for the circus" the man answered.

"Well, that can be interesting and fulfilling. What is your job?".

The man answered "I follow the elephants around during their act with a small shovel and pan and scoop up their dropping."

"That is a terrible job, no wonder you're depressed. How long have you been doing that?"

"Fourteen years."

"Why don't you quit and find another job?"

"What and leave show business."

Kal

8/15/2017 01:00:23 pm

Right wingers use snowflake to act like whiners when accusing the left of some massive conspiracy. It can't just be that there were hate speakers at an out of hand rally about a statue of Robert E Lee. It's never on them. The talk show pundits on their side spew fake stories of costumed fakes in the audience rioting. The only time that happened during the election, it was a conservative at a democrat rally. They can call other forms of terror out but not call out the hateful 'white power' groups at that demonstration carrying tiki torches (those are an odd thing) and chanting in vulgar ways, but being too ignorant to know why they're even there. Maybe they think they know, but they are culpable. They should be ashamed. The guy that ploughed into the stands wasn't working for some agenda other than his hate fueled need to take out his rhetoric on actual people. Hopefully he will go to jail for a long time. Tiki torches? They had tiki torches!

Only Me

8/15/2017 01:05:59 pm

Just so I'm not misunderstanding you, are you conflating the white nationalists with all people who identify as conservative or Republican? That would be a stupid thing to do.

TONY S.

8/15/2017 10:19:13 pm

A VERY stupid thing to do, and I'm on the other side of the aisle.

8/15/2017 01:00:34 pm

Such behavior by Marzulli, Quayle and Jones is to be expected. Conspiracy theories make money, too.

Tsoukalos's reaction? I honestly did not see that coming.

Wilcock's problems stem from his mental issues, no doubt. I think he can't accept his lack of success, as it would be at odds with the image he has crafted for his brand.

Ken

8/15/2017 06:24:46 pm

Wilcock just needs to double his fees for psychic readings. Or else ask the spirits for horse race winners.

8/15/2017 01:41:29 pm

Not all conservatives are white nationalists, nor are are all liberals left wing. 'One thing does not equal the other'. Come on. The ones in denial on the fake news unwilling to call those neo nazi types what they are, are culpable. Not everyone. Never said everyone. Neither is an equivalency. Trump could not say 'terrorist hate group' in his first reporting. Why? Was he in denial? Were the comments from the fringe in the article also deniers? Maybe. A lot of alt right people are like that, but not all.

The terrorists in Charlottesville that marched and then one of them that ran into protestors are of a hate group that identifies as alt right. Maybe that clears it up.

8/15/2017 02:05:45 pm

I asked because right-wing and left-wing are umbrella terms applied to conservatives and liberals. If you say right-wing, when the correct term would be alt-right, it can lead people to assume incorrectly you're lumping everyone in the same category.

President Trump's initial statement can be seen as not strong or specific enough, which is a valid criticism. However, I think he may have wanted to err on the side of caution until he could have all the facts. If the reporting I've heard of the police essentially being ordered to stand down and the presence of Antifa and BLM members at the riot are true, then Trump would have been criticized for calling out only half of the guilty parties involved. This is one of those cases of "Damned if you do, damned if you don't."

I'm thankful that the DOJ is launching an investigation to ensure those involved are punished in accordance with the law.

8/15/2017 02:42:41 pm

It's a Virginia criminal code violation, it doesn't need the DOJ's ham-handed input.

8/15/2017 06:57:54 pm

That's like say "black people identify as niggers". No one calls themselves "alt right". That's a name you put on them.

RiverM

8/15/2017 07:54:52 pm

Plenty of black people call themselves and their acquaintances that word and plenty of people identify as alt-right. Both terms have a broad use.

AmericaNSDAP

8/15/2017 08:14:56 pm

Is that your opinion as a white supremacist?

8/15/2017 08:23:05 pm

Call it anecdotal, but any time I use the subway in my area the word is being thrown around more than a valley girl using the word like. I don't personally know anyone who identifies as alt-right, but the left media's overuse of the term has many moderate to furthest right groups being classified as alt-right, and some have accepted the term as a badge of honor regardless of it's still unidentified meaning.

Not the Copmte de Saint Germain

8/15/2017 11:07:59 pm

Wrong. Richard Spencer invented the term and applied it to himself, as do many of his fans.

8/15/2017 01:54:38 pm

Is the fellow with the car worse than Charlottesville serial killer Jesse Matthews?

8/15/2017 02:40:23 pm

What side is Tsoukalos saying we chose? Nazis or people beating up Nazis in movies?

Liberal - Scalise shooter (yeah I know we've all forgotten about it) "Are those Republicans or Democrats?"

Gay - Andrew Cunanan

Muslim - Major Hassan, the business card saying "Soldier of Allah" should have been a hint

Let's all choose up sides shall we?

TonyPo

8/16/2017 05:51:12 am

...wasn't even people beating up Nazi's in movies, Tsoukalos' visual reference is a paid actor pretending to punch another paid actor. And this he references as history (cinema history I guess). He was correct we should study and learn from history, though I prefer my history real and unsanitized.

Titus pullo

8/15/2017 03:20:17 pm

Neonazis and their lot are a small group at best who protest for contruntation purposes to raise their street cred and market themselves as martyrs. That said the constant demonization of the so called "white males" by the left along with this ridiculous attack on any opinions they dont agree with to stifle free speech is creating followers of these neonazis. Broad attacks in conservatives and libertarians is the norm now all in the name of equality. Disagree with me and ill just call u a racist and get u fired from ur job. Sorry libs but u created trump and the alt right with ur marxist identity politics. Please virtue signal now and call me names!

8/15/2017 03:31:09 pm

Okay, I'll start.

That post was typo-riddled and nonsensical, and reads more like what someone's addle-pated drunk uncle thinks is happening than anything in the real world. If you think that identity politics is about Marxism, which advocated for the transfer of the means of production to the producers, explicitly said that the workers had more in common with rash other across class and race divides than up and down those divides, and shockingly has much more to say about economic power than race, what you illustrate is that you, not "libs," are making broad attacks and demonizing your opponents rather than actually knowing what your opponents say or think.

Good God that was tiresome. There's a way to express conservatism (and I consider myself conservative) without sounding like grandpa got into the Wild Turkey before any of the Thanksgiving guests showed up.

8/15/2017 06:53:50 pm

How was the theft and collectivisation of farms under Stalin "the transfer of the means of production to the producers"??

8/15/2017 10:25:22 pm

That was the original idea behind Marxism, but Stalin veered away from it. He hijacked Lenin's Revolution and set up a police state instead, which was one reason for the purging of the old Bolsheviks.

In the end all he did was set up a new form of autocracy after having assisted getting rid of the old, imperial Romanov one.

8/15/2017 03:54:24 pm

You're better than that, Titus Pullo.

Please live up to your own standards.

I've had to say this to people on the left as well --- expressing disagreement, even vehemently, is not stifling free speech.

The right to speak freely imposes no obligation on anyone to agree with what you say, nor to refrain from saying they do not agree. People have the right to disagree, they have the right to say so, they even have the right to think less of someone because of what he or she has said.

People who think the right of free speech carries with it a right to be free of disagreement or a right to be free of social consequences for what one has said display a very poor understanding of the concept.

I would expect a libertarian to display greater clarity on this.

8/15/2017 11:03:42 pm

"That was the original idea behind Marxism" No, that was the rhetoric, that was the lie.

There's a problem with the word "instead" after "police state". "Police state" was always what was intended. There was never any "instead".

"Your eyes are shifty, Comrade."

Zoroaster

8/15/2017 05:01:14 pm

Hate in not a minority view in the Right. Half of republicans think Muslims are evil/terrorists/unamerican. Close to quarter think interracial dating/marriage is bad. Close to half think sex education and evolution shouldn't be taught in schools. Also close to half think Christianity should be the established religion. Come on, Jeff Flake made a whole book about how the conservative movement has strayed away. If there was more conservatives like him I wouldn't have a problem with the ideology but here we are. No we did not create Trump and his cronies. That was because of their hatred for Obama.And yes we "Libs" are biased against racists and other xenophobic groups.

8/15/2017 06:55:19 pm

Half of you is an ass who makes up numbers.

8/15/2017 06:12:57 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoXThCb8EZA

I wanted to share this before the conversation devolves into a blame game that points to the highest office in the land.

Not the Comte de Saint Germain

8/15/2017 11:44:45 pm

If Trump really disavows the alt-right, why did he make Steve Bannon one of his most important policy advisors? Bannon, as the head of Breitbart, called it "the platform for the alt-right". Why has Trump's administration pushed to focus Homeland Security's Countering Violent Extremism task force exclusively on Islamic terrorism, despite warnings that white nationalist violence was on the rise, and froze a grant to an organization that deradicalizes white nationalists?

The white nationalists, for their part, are convinced that Trump is on their side. They celebrated his initial remarks on Sunday; the Daily Stormer said "There was virtually no counter-signaling of us at all. He loves us." They're celebrating again after his press conference today.

Actions speak louder than words. Trump needs a lot more of the former if he wants to really dissociate himself from his racist fans.

8/16/2017 12:08:35 am

I can't answer the first question. Only the president can.

Islamic terrorism is a problem. Just look at what has happened in Europe earlier this year. With the caliphates collapsing in Iraq and Syria, they're seeking to branch out elsewhere. I agree it wasn't a good idea to cut funding to fight white nationalism.

White nationalists are like any other group, they'll propagandize for their cause.

To your last point, I reiterate the DOJ is investigating the riot as a domestic terrorism case. Hopefully, the law will be upheld.

tubby

8/15/2017 06:35:41 pm

Well, Wilcock did make time for Contact in the Desert this Summer where apparently there were Pizzagaters a plenty.

Brian

8/15/2017 06:59:53 pm

And the Rump just came out and disavowed his tardy attempt at feigning humanity, spewing forth that "both sides" were responsible for the violence in Charlottesville! He may not be the most odious human in history - there's some stiff competition for that dubious distinction - but he is the most odious American who ever breathed.

How long before the Republican Party takes off the mask and changes its name to the KKK or the Third Reich? How long before we quit namby-pambying around with these insane maniacs while they slaughter us and our nation?

8/15/2017 07:14:33 pm

If one side shows up to fight and the other side obliges, yes, both sides are responsible.

Republicans are not the KKK or the Third Reich. You can't spin the narrative enough for those accusations to stick.

By the way, when you say "us" and "our nation" on whose behalf are you speaking? Other misinformed douches like yourself?

dz63@live.com

8/15/2017 08:08:04 pm

BLM, Antifa and the employees of Charlotsville have plenty of blame.

8/15/2017 10:27:06 pm

You do know that Antifa stands for anti-fascists, right? I don't recall them murdering anyone, by the way.

8/15/2017 10:58:36 pm

No, Tony, Antifa hasn't murdered anyone.

Despite the clumsy word choice, DZ63 is technically correct. Here's an article that explains it:

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2017/08/14/aclu-burns-kamala-harris-ignorant-many-sides-charlottesville-note-525279

8/15/2017 11:33:02 pm

Nor do I recall the anti-fascists surrounding a black church with torches or arming and armoring themselves like a militia.

8/16/2017 12:08:29 am

Or chanting Third Reich slogans like "Blood and Soil", and lovely anti-Semitic sentiments like "Jew will not replace us".

8/16/2017 12:17:26 am

Antifa has attacked Trump supporters in Portland. One of them did attack a police horse with a flag pole. They did try to burn down a building they thought Milo Yiannopoulos was inside at UC Berkeley. Another member attacked three Trump supporters with a bike lock. They were also involved in the Charlottesville riot.

Antifa has proven to be as violent as the white nationalists.

8/16/2017 02:09:47 am

Backed up with links: http://www.slate.com/articles/business/metropolis/2017/08/driving_into_crowds_of_protesters_was_a_right_wing_fantasy_long_before_charlottesville.html

8/16/2017 02:19:57 am

Individuals are one thing. Bills in state legislatures are another.

8/16/2017 11:52:21 pm

There is no moral equivalency between Nazis and the people who protest against them.

There's no moral equvalency between Nazis and anyone, quite frankly.

8/17/2017 12:29:04 am

There is, however, a need to recognize when hate groups use violence to enforce their agenda. Antifa is proven to do this, which makes them just as bad as the Nazis. Let's drop the double standard and call all of them out for their words and actions.

Brady Yoon

8/16/2017 01:02:13 am

I am wondering exactly how the white nationalists seek to achieve their ideal polity. After all, minorities for the most part are already here. The average black person can probably trace his ancestry back farther than the average white person, as the vast majority of African Americans descend from people who arrived in the United States and the British colonies before 1807. Most Latinos descend from Mexican Americans who were already living in the US for hundreds of years, since before the country had even come into existence.

Really, the only way the white nationalists will ever achieve their vision of a white ethnostate is through the complete restructuring of American society through violent means. It's slightly more realistic than Ted Kaczynsky's vision of transforming modern America into a primitive hunter-gatherer society. Maybe they'll create reservations modeled after Indian reservations for everyone who's not white?

AXEL

8/16/2017 07:55:46 am

Do we know what really happened in Charlottesville? Is the investigation over? Has someone been convicted and sent to jail?

8/16/2017 08:07:54 am

Will add, that in Europe the most common scenario seems to be that right organizes a peaceful legal demonstration, then left shows up to instigate a fight and a huge police force is needed to separate the groups. In my country police had to fire rubber bullets at the left to keep them under control.

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