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Questions about a Key Piece of Roanoke Evidence Could Reopen the Dare Stone Mystery

4/9/2017

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​A couple of weeks ago, the History Channel presented a documentary in which the Vieira Brothers went in search of evidence that the colonists from Roanoke had gone inland instead of to Hatteras Island (formerly Croatoan), as is commonly accepted. While a new report doesn’t prove them right, it does cast doubt on the consensus of the past twenty years about the fate of the colonists, and could offer a lifeline to those who believe that the so-called Eleanor Dare Stone is an authentic Elizabethan document.
​In 1998, the discovery on Hatteras of a gold ring emblazoned with a lion passant led to speculation that the item belonged to Kendall family, one of whom was among the colonists and another who visited in 1586, because the lion passant was their family crest. This suggested that the colonists had decamped to Hatteras after the failure of their colony, perhaps to live with Native Americans there. The evidence suggested that the story told on the so-called Eleanor Dare Stone, a rock found in the 1930s and inscribed with what seemed to be the story of the flight of the colonists from Roanoke, was unlikely to be true.
 
A new study of the ring by North Carolina state conservator Erik Farrell determined that the ring is of brass, not gold, and is likely a seventeenth century trade item used in commerce with Native Americans. Not all scholars agree, however, that brass precludes an Elizabethan origin. Other artifacts found on Hatteras also appear to be from the 1600s and 1700s, according to Smithsonian magazine. Instead, Smithsonian reports that artifacts that might have belonged to the lost colony have been found along the Albemarle Sound, near the spot where an English fort had been planned before the failure of the Roanoke colony. This is the spot that the Eleanor Dare Stone commemorates, and it is close to where the stone was found in the 1930s.
 
While none of this validates the authenticity of the Dare Stone, it does raise an intriguing question about why a potential forger might have placed the stone in that location. While at first glance, this would seem to suggest authenticity, it need not necessarily be so. The historical record clearly indicates that the Roanoke colonists, under Philip Amadas and Ralph Lane, explored the Albemarle Sound (which they called the “Sound of Weapomeiock”) in the spring of 1586 and passed the information on to John White, whose map is the only one to indicate the abandoned location of the fort. According to Lane’s own account of events sent to Sir Walter Raleigh, Lane thought that the sound would lead to the Spanish colonies of Mexico via “a passage to the South-sea, or some way to it.” Lane gave out to all who would listen the claim that the land up the Albemarle Sound had “the most sweete and healthfullest climate, and therewithall the most fertile soyle (being manured) in the world.” Even without any forger knowing of the planned fort, the Albemarle Sound, being the area familiar to the colonists and apparently a place they thought would be much less harsh than Roanoke, would have been the logical choice for a forger to send them to keep in line with extant records, particularly Lane’s account. Perhaps not coincidentally, it might also be where the colonists, after Ralph Lane’s departure, chose to go, if the new evidence is true.
 
Thus, the loss of the ring as evidence leaves us where we started in terms of the Dare Stone’s authenticity. It could be real, or it could be fake.
 
What’s worth noting is that the scientists involved did not try to hide the results of the new study, nor did they attempt to suppress the truth. Even the Smithsonian, long accused by fringe historians of actively suppressing the real facts of history, published the results on its magazine’s webpage.
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Kathleen
4/9/2017 01:56:56 pm

OK, I'm confused. Did the Dare party have boats? When I look at a map, if the Roanoke survivors were on foot they would have to cross three major channels (with a bit of a backtrack) while being pursued by hostile natives to get to Edenton, NC, where the first Dare Stone was found. And then cross the Albemarle Sound once again to head west where the rest of the hoax stones were found. And when SW did his show about Roanoke, he had a map with a "patch" on it. Does anyone remember where it was located along the sound? Was that the same location as the known proposed fort?

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David Bradbury
4/9/2017 02:26:02 pm

Good images of the patched John White map at:
https://nativeheritageproject.com/2012/05/07/john-white-map-chowan-fort-discovery-analysis/

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Kathleen
4/9/2017 03:44:42 pm

Thanks! That's the map I was trying to remember.

Kathleen
4/10/2017 11:35:57 am

So, did they have boats?

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Titus pullo
4/9/2017 06:52:34 pm

Ok I'm trying to remember the AU episode and the first Viera show on this, didn't the guy who claimed to have found the first stone had no identified past? As for finding artifacts inland that is interesting but could they have been brought over and diatributed via trade later?

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BigNick
4/9/2017 07:06:57 pm

UA only said all of the stones found after the first were found by sketchy people. I did not see the first Dare Stone special, but the second only mentions the confirmed hoaxers. Wikipedia says he only had a po box and the pinkertons could not find him later, but I cannot find that information anywhere else.
Is there any proof he actually found it where he said he did?

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Only Me
4/9/2017 08:54:50 pm

Interesting. There's been three excavations then: Fort Raleigh, Roanoke and now Albemarle Sound. It really feels like the Dare Stone is circumstantial evidence, hoax or not.

Still, I'm inclined to believe the colonists went to Roanoke. They had allies in the Croatoan, so if they were fleeing for their lives, it would make sense they'd try for friendly territory.

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Only Me
4/9/2017 09:13:24 pm

Correction: Fort Raleigh, Hatteras and Albemarle Sound.

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Dr Jones
4/9/2017 10:19:18 pm

Jason.... in reading a previous post in which you lament on the lack of new fringe ideas making it difficult for you to write material in a daily perhaps another reason for your struggles is your own lack of new ideas... it seems as if nearly all your posts include the same recycled and forced inclusions of negative comments on the nation's president

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Mike Morgan
4/10/2017 05:13:21 am

Dr. Jones wrote: "...it seems as if nearly all your posts include the same recycled and forced inclusions of negative comments on the nation's president"

You must not be paying very close attention. Only two of the last 10 blog entries have mentioned the Presidents name and neither negatively.

4/1/2017
Meet the Russian Political Scientist Who Wants to Restore Proto-Indo-European Social Castes and Is a Darling of the Alt-Right

"What we do know is that Dugin was a key advisor to high officials in Putin’s ruling United Russia party, and he is a supporter of Donald Trump, whom he calls the “anointed” king of America. In what I am sure must be a coincidence, the English editions of Dugin’s many political books are published by none other than Arktos, the same company headed by rightwing ancient astronaut believer Jason Reza Jorjani, who is business partners with white nationalist Richard Spencer. Both of them, of course, are outspoken supporters of Donald Trump, whose campaign is currently under FBI and Congressional investigation for its ties to Russia."

"Dumézil was a supporter of Mussolini, later in life worked closely with ex-Nazis (including one from the Ahnenerbe), and supported the political party of Charles Maurras, the anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist and convicted Vichy collaborator whom you will remember Trump advisor Steve Bannon praised for his insight into the importance of promoting the ethno-nation over the legalities of government."

4/5/2017
I Think I'm Starting to Run Out of New Stuff to Write About

"The current White House is riven with conspiracy theories about practically everything. Its media supporters have coopted so much of the energy behind fringe history that we actually see bizarre events like last week’s claim on televangelist Jim Bakker’s show that Donald Trump is God’s anointed and that God will curse the children and grandchildren of his critics. Here’s Mary Colbert speaking to Bakker after identifying Trump as God’s chosen vessel: “And if you come against the chosen one of God, you are bringing upon you and your children and your children’s children curses like you have never seen.”

How do you compete with crazy claims like that?

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An Over-Educated Grunt
4/10/2017 02:06:50 pm

Never mind any of that, what you really need to be concerned about is whether Jason has a sweaty, crumb-filled keyboard.

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Edgars Freibergs
10/21/2024 01:44:46 am

I know I'm very late to the discussion. But..

Let's take into consideration human behavior.

The colonists were being battered by storms off the sea, hungry running out of supplies under the occasional hostile attack by the natives.

Do you go South to another island among natives that could not entirely trust. Under the threat of bad weather from the sea since you would be on another island.

Or you go inland to a possible English fort rumored to have been there possible sturdy shelter and some supplies already there waiting for you?

These were people under harsh condition and of course fright with families mind you.

They might also have split up into two groups. One going south and the towards the fort in a last ditch effort for help. Thus diminishing their survival chances and the reducing of their party may have hastened their disappearance.

As for the Dare Stone (the first found) the late Fred Willard did indeed find a very large Native American settlement in the very area the Dare stone was reportedly found. That site find and the finding of the first Dare Stone. Alone warrents much more extensive further archaeological digs.

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