Let’s begin by stipulating something America Unearthed won’t tell you. The Tucson Artifacts discussed in “The Desert Cross” explicitly state in Latin and Hebrew that they were created by a mixture of Romans, Gauls, and Jews who came to early America and suffered a war with the Toltecs. The artifacts claim to have been deposited from 775 CE to 1000 CE by people who formed a colony called Calalus that lasted for several centuries before vanishing. You hear nothing of this on the show because this story, with its Jews, undermines the Christ-centric fairytale Scott Wolter wants to tell, a conspiracy-oriented fairytale that directly contradicts the artifacts themselves. This episode didn’t play fair, and it ended up outright lying, even about its own lies, in pursuit of what I can only describe as a hidden agenda, one designed around Wolter’s apparent fixation on a Templar-Freemason conspiracy around the bloodline of Christ. (Yes, it’s the Da Vinci Code plot. Tune in next week for that episode.) Did you know there really was a hidden culture of ancient Jews in the American Southwest? It’s true. They were not, however, the Mormon master race who first people America, nor the alleged Judeo-Roman hybrids of the Calalus literature. Instead, they were a group of conversos, Jews who converted to Christianity under the threat of expulsion from Spain but maintained Judaism in secret, under a veneer of Catholicism. Known as the crypto-Jews, a group left Spain for the New World, eventually settling in New Mexico, where they kept a vigil on Friday nights (the Jewish Sabbath) and abstained from eating pork. For five centuries these Latino crypto-Jews retained Judaic practices, and a few remaining crypto-Jews still do down to the present day, though many have lost most other traces of their ancestors’ Judaism. The story is fascinating, and it’s told in Stanley M. Horde’s To the End of the Earth: A History of the Crypto-Jews of New Mexico (2008).
This would have made an excellent episode of America Unearthed, looking for a real example of a “lost” culture that could be reconstructed only from the scant traces it left behind in the later practices of its successors. Its origins certainly predate the Roanoke colony that was the subject of an earlier episode, so it ought to fall under the show’s purview. But, sadly, the living people are Latino, so that’s not what we got this week. Instead, we’re treated to another “investigation” of how a group of supposedly lost white colonizers blazed a trail across America, left behind nothing except some highly dubious luxury goods, and vanished in large measure due to cultural contamination from the uncouth savages with whom they practiced miscegenation. (See also: Roanoke colony, Minnesota Vikings, Welsh Indians, Oklahoma Celts, New England Phoenicians, etc.) I don’t think anyone involved with this show is actually racist, but it’s hard to believe they could be blind to the clear implication of nearly every episode that advanced white culture inevitably succumbs to the savagery and sensuality of surrounding dark-skinned primitives. Heck, this week Wolter even blames swarthy Mideast Muslims for “forcing” the pure white people out of Europe! Does he even know the artifacts state that these Templar superheroes were largely Jews? I don’t want to get political, but it’s hard to ignore the fact that this narrative has attracted such a large following (more than one million weekly viewers just for this show) in this particular time in United States history, when a particular demographic of white Americans is experiencing anxiety about the country’s multicultural future, when, in short measure, white Americans will become a plurality rather than an outright majority for the first time since the colonial era. The episode opens in Tucson with a recreation of events from 1924, when a cache of “artifacts” were unearthed. This scene is oddly filmed from the artifacts’ point of view, with unnamed men uncovering, moving, recovering and staring at them in sepia-toned video, concluding with Scott Wolter opening a box in 2012 in his Minnesota lab (which could not possibly be the actual box from Arizona despite the implication since the artifacts are safely housed at the Arizona Historical Society) and looking dramatically into the box. Then we cut to the opening credits. The show proper starts with a long tracking shot of the Arizona desert over which a graphic informs us that ritual objects and a lead cross were unearthed in 1924 on which was the date 800 AD. Here is the first omission: Another cross is actually dated 775 CE, but that one doesn’t conform to the narrative. If you’re a regular reader of this blog, you know that I’ve written about this before. I’ll be coming back to my thoughts on this as the show progresses. For now, the program is content to use a meaningless graphic saying, in scare quotes, that Christopher Columbus “discovered” American in 1492, implying this is a lie. Well, yes, it’s a lie in that the Vikings were in North America in 1000 and the Native Americans “discovered” America some 15,000 or more years ago. This does not, however, have any relationship to whether Romans were in Arizona in 800 CE. (I will be using the modern dating terminology of BCE and CE to talk about dates and the older AD system when speaking of the date on the cross itself.) Scott Wolter is bringing his son with him to view the artifacts inscribed in very poor Latin, and Wolter calls this an “important” group of evidence—of what, I wonder? At the Arizona Historical Society, Wolter reviews some paperwork and photographs documenting the unearthing of various lead artifacts found by Charles Manier and Thomas Bent, and he meets with Chuck Bent, Thomas Bent’s grandson. Chuck suggests that there was a secret surrounding the artifacts and says that they were kept hidden in his grandfather’s house. Chuck says that Thomas doubted the explanation offered by “these academics” (as Wolter scoffs) that the crudely-formed swords were faked and planted in the ground as a hoax. Wolter is indignant that academics weren’t “all over” the artifacts, which bear no resemblance whatsoever to any medieval weaponry or symbolic ritual artifacts. They look like what they are: crude modern approximations of medieval material. I suppose it goes without saying—not that Wolter would say it—that lead, being one of the heaviest elements, produces swords that weigh far too much for everyday use, nor is it common to find ritual artifacts made of lead in Europe. I’m not able to find any discussion of the use of lead for ritual objects, making swords, and military standards, which were almost always made of gold, silver, bronze, or iron. According to standard encyclopedias, medieval lead was used for cast objects (which the swords were not), small decorative badges for pilgrims (which these were not), and far after our period cast reliefs and coffins (which these were not). I can’t find anything about swords. Wolter once again asserts that historians are unwilling to “rewrite history” to account for Wolter’s own discoveries. His head seems to grow larger with each episode. So, Wolter and Bent travel out to the site where the artifacts were dug up to look at the rocks from which they were extracted. He hopes that the caliche (hardened rock formed of calcium carbonate) will match traces on the artifacts and thus prove the rocks dripped calcium carbonate over the artifacts for a long time, which is not as clear an indication of age as Wolter suggests. The rate of caliche formation is largely dependent on the amount of water present, which can cause it to form in mere months or years rather than centuries, and the presence of plants other than cacti at the site suggests enough water to have a fairly quick-forming process. For example, should the artifacts have been dug into a natural bed of caliche, water action over several years could have caused new caliche to form around the artifacts from bits leeched from the surrounding bed, embedding the artifacts into the stone. Many people have seen their drainpipes fill up with caliche in short order and would not be surprised by this. [click here for more on the artifacts' caliche] At the Arizona Historical Society, we see the various lead artifacts, and we see some very quick looks at the inscriptions on the crosses. No Hebrew inscriptions are shown, only the Latin ones. Why is that? Wolter is smart enough to realize that the AD dating system might not have been used in 800 CE. As I discussed before, it was not in widespread use until after 1000 CE and almost nowhere outside of the Carolingian heartland before that time, though the possibility cannot be entirely discounted. Grant Wolter “translates” the text on the cross, but while he seems to have general notion of Latin, he seems to be reciting someone else’s translation because—again, as I already discussed—the Latin is atrocious. It contains innumerable errors, including such basics as the difference between “to” and “from.” The grammar is worse than schoolboy Latin, and some have tried to suggest that it is the result of a non-native speaker writing it in 800, which is not likely since anyone fluent enough to write would know the basics of prepositions—especially since those prepositions did not change in the daughter Romance languages into which Latin evolved, and which any medieval travelers would have spoken. In my previous post, I discussed the finer points of the linguistic milieu of early medieval Italy and Gaul and how it fails to support the claims made for the crosses. The crosses also use the letter “z” which is not found in Latin except for transliterating Greek words. Studies by less enthusiastic advocates have demonstrated that the fractured Latin on the lead artifacts can be traced to specific phrases from the Classical authors (like Cicero), specifically in editions available in the Tucson Public Library in the 1920s. We are to believe that our illiterate inscriber was fluent enough to quote Cicero and yet so illiterate as to not understand the Latin he quoted? It bothers me that Wolter does not discuss the content of the inscriptions on the artifacts, probably because the story they tell is so stupid and fails to support his bloodline of Christ Da Vinci Code Templar fantasy, to be expounded next week in an episode about the bloodline of Christ. The story written across the artifacts (in a remarkably complete, if fractured narrative—another indication of a crude hoax) in both Latin and Hebrew is that a group of Romans, Gauls, and Jews left Rome and came to America where they built a long-lasting colony called Calalus (775-c. 1000 CE) and interacted with the Toltecs of Mexico. Wolter leaves all this out because it would imply the existence of a colony for which no buildings, no trash middens, no artifacts of any kind remain. This is intentionally deceptive and leaves out an important factor in considering how to evaluate these artifacts. Worse, by leaving out the Jews it only reinforces the idea that this show is obsessed with finding Aryans in America. The entire connection to ancient Mexico (the Toltec) is also left out, the defining narrative of the artifacts. This is another unforgivable lie by omission and one understandable only in the context of trying to hide anything testable. There are no Toltec artifacts in Tucson either. Scott Wolter seizes upon the appearance of the name Theodorus on the cross to jump to the conclusion that this was the same Theodorus who was allegedly Charlemagne’s lieutenant in the 770s. I am not able to find any reference to a Theodorus among the entourage of Charlemagne; the closest I could find was a Theodorus of the Huns who visited Charlemagne in the 780s, or Theodulf of Orleans, an ally of the Frankish king’s in the 790s. James Wald reminds me that a Theodoric (not Theodorus) was a commander under Charlemagne, but continued on past 775. In fact, I can’t find any reference to this Theodorus outside discussions of the Arizona artifacts. When Wolter claims that “some” say Theodorus came to America in 775 CE, he is actually quoting another of the Arizona lead crosses, one which he had declined to feature on the show because its wretched Latin is so obviously a fake. He’s quoting the artifacts themselves as evidence for the artifacts! One cross has a dinosaur drawn on it. A dinosaur. Wolter looks at the artifacts under a 3-D microscope, which he claims will help him to use “archaeopetrography” (his self-created “new” science) to date the crosses. That went so well with his previous investigations. At any rate, petrography of course refers to rocks, and the crosses are made of lead. I suppose the crystallization of the minerals on the rock is what will pass for stone. Wolter notes that the deposition of the minerals on the crosses could take as little as decades but perhaps centuries. He fails, however, to consider the amount of water at the site where these were unearthed, thus meaning that his findings are speculative and have no real value since we can’t know how fast caliche was forming in the place where they were deposited without knowing about the water table, capillary action, rainfall, etc. Wolter becomes very excited after discovering an image of the Cross of Lorraine on one artifact, the symbol of the Knights Templar. Do I even need to say that the Knights Templar weren’t formed until the 1100s? If they hadn’t decided to dig for the Ark of the Covenant on the Temple Mount, no one would have cared at all about them. Sigh. Wolter says that the same symbol represented the dragonfly to Native Americans so both groups “shared” it. There’s a connection all right, but only in the sense that Hitler, the Hopi, and Helena Blavatsky “shared” the swastika. Similar symbols do not imply cultural connections. The Cross of Lorraine on the artifact appears to be surmounted by a stereotypical crown, with large, rounded drapery between supporting arches—a style of crown not used until the modern period. Medieval crowns were bands of gold. (It might be an episcopal crown, but I could not tell from the short shot.) Another artifact shows what appears to be a “church” complete with a Gothic arch, an arch not used until the High Middle Ages. Next up we go looking for the source of the artifacts’ lead, but this is a wild goose chase. It makes no difference to the story whether the artifacts were made from local or non-local lead; any result Wolter would interpret as evidence of “Romans.” If it is local, the Romans were mining; it not, they brought it from home. A careful shot of the crossed X’s in the Exxon Mobile logo is meant to imply a modern connection to the Templars via the Cross of Lorraine. Wolter calls up a friend identified as a “Masonic Historian” and launches into a weird conspiracy theory about how the Knights Templar gave rise to the Freemasons, but this is rampant speculation with no basis in fact whatsoever. There is no evidence of any Templar activity from the fourteenth century to the rise of Masonry three hundred years later. This idea’s inclusion here is out-and-out conspiracy-mongering. Wolter thinks that the artifacts display “Masonic” symbols, part of a 1,500-year-long cult. But both Wolter and his friend are more interested in the Exxon Mobile logo! The “expert” explains that the red and white logo represents the Templar’s red and white colors; the crossed X’s are the Cross of Lorraine, and the blue bar under the logo is the Atlantic Ocean, across which the Templars sailed to establish their secret club hideouts. In the real world, we know that the colors come from the fact that Exxon (and Mobil) were once part of Standard Oil, whose colors were the American red, white, and blue. The crossed X’s were put in place to symbolize reliability, according to Exxon. The X’s weren’t added until 1966 (when the current Exxon name was adopted), and an actual document exists showing the many draft versions of artist Raymond Loewy, from which the one with crossed X’s was finally chosen. Among the logos are a few that look something like the Masonic square and compass, as Wolter immediately notes. Even if Loewy did this on purpose, the entire corporate executive suite would have to be in on it, or else oblivious to it. There is no conspiracy here, much less any truth to Wolter’s claim that it is “accepted as fact” that Freemasons are Knights Templar. There is no continuity whatsoever in this. But what difference does any of this make to crosses from 800 CE? As we barrel toward a conclusion, Wolter tests the caliche and finds that the caliche matches the limestone surrounding the artifacts. No fooling. As I noted before, he failed to check for groundwater, capillary action, rainfall, and other factors that influence rate of deposit. Instead, he simply declares that there is no evidence of hoaxing, which is not the case. Since Wolter failed to examine the Latin on the crosses, or to even tell viewers about the story told by the artifacts—much less its clear evidence of hoaxing—the only one hoaxing anyone is the fakery the show is pulling on the audience by lying through omission to turn what was originally a hoax about a Roman-Jewish colony in America into an Aryan-Templar fantasy. Wolter entrusts his son Grant to determine whether the AD dating system was used in 800 CE. “It does work because they were using AD,” he says, and that’s the last word. No one even bothers to check to see how and when the system was adapted gradually and incompletely across medieval Europe. As a point of fact, “Romans” from Rome (as the Latin on the artifacts state—not that you’d know from this show) did not adopt the AD system until much later, after 1000. Under the medieval popes, they used the ab urbe condita (AUC) system (or the reigns of the popes), even despite Charlemagne’s only partly successful attempts to impose AD in Germany. At any rate, in 775 it would be even less likely than in 800. We return to the bad drawing of a stereotypical early twentieth century image of an Apatosaurus (brontosaurus) or diplodocus, and Wolter declares that the forked tongue makes it a lizard. No lizard looks like this, with a humped back, tapering tale, and long neck, and the drawing is, to my artistic eye, quite obviously a modern forgery made by someone with as little knowledge of biology as he or she had of Latin. [Update: I checked my Victorian-era natural history books, which I am loathe to do because they are very fragile, and I found at least one depicting a prehistoric monster similar to the one on the artifact with the same telltale forked tongue. See follow-up here.] Wolter concludes that a “precursor” to the Knights Templar came to America as religious refugees—a precursor organization for which not a lick of evidence exists in Europe. Prove that this “precursor” group existed 300 years before the Templars. Wolter reminds us again about his work on the Kensington Rune Stone, which the show simply presents as settled fact despite the widespread criticism of his geology, and this somehow “proves” that Wolter is right about the “precursor” group, which makes no sense since accepting the Rune Stone implies nothing about anything that happened prior to 1362. Even Chuck Bent seems confused that Wolter concluded that the artifacts were genuine when Wolter comes to tell him, probably because he knows that the Latin inscriptions say and is dumbfounded that Wolter hasn’t paid any attention to that in crafting his Templar fantasy. The heavy editing of the scene makes it hard to judge just what Bent was really thinking. The critical questions he asked suggest that he was less certain than the show makes him seem about accepting Wolter’s verdict. “Who were these people, who made the artifacts, and where did they come from?” Wolter asks. Well, the artifacts actually say, but since you didn’t bother to read, you don’t know. They say that a group of Romans, Gauls, and Jews came over and interacted with the Toltecs. You are purposely hiding this information in order to preserve the mystery, create false connections to the Knights Templar, and avoid the real problems with the inscriptions, not least of which is the completely absent “colony” of Calalus that the artifacts assert actually existed. Instead, you want us to believe that “some Muslim group” “persecuted” the “precursors” of the Knights Templar—a story completely contradicted by the artifacts you created this story to support! For crying out loud, even David Hatcher Childress managed to get the Jewish part right in mongering this mystery.
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B L
2/23/2013 04:08:27 am
I loved this episode! I've never done so much eye-rolling in my life. Its like watching an hour long train wreck where the only person who gets hurt is the show's insane host.
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terry the censor
2/24/2013 11:52:12 am
Excellent point!
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FPM
2/25/2013 08:59:16 am
Ha, BL I had the same reaction, I watch this show purely to see how outrageously idiotic this Walter guy can make himself look, Im assuming he is just completely ridiculed in academic (ie respected) circles? The ridiculousness of this show is paralleled only by Brad Meltzer's show Decoded and his motley crew of equally outrageous 'investigators'. But at least it seemed like Meltzer was just going for entertainment value, this Walter guy actually believes all the quackery his show conveys; the lack of partiality and an objective analysis just serves to embarrass him.
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Ray S
4/30/2013 04:38:28 pm
I watched this Desert Cross AZ video and one of the items had a dinosaur etched on it. Scott said he did not know what that meant.
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CuriousGeorge
5/18/2013 06:12:30 am
You have misinterpreted the clues . . . . The Knights Templar were the forerunners of the current board of Exxon. While the crusades provided cover for their travel and activities in the middle east, they were there for the oil. While the etching of the dinosaur may lead some to surmise that Exxon and Sinclair are linked, the Knights of Sinclair didn't form until the 15th century. The dinosaur etching is actually a symbol used for dino-juice (oil) to remind the Knights Exxon---I mean the Knights Templar---of their own subterfuge and the god that they serve. Hope this was helpful. If you want more, write to the History Channel----I am hoping to get my own show.
Almost Retired
3/4/2015 05:23:06 pm
The forked tongue lizard on the back of one of the crosses? A gas station called Sinclair, which at one time was spun-off when American Standard Oil, owned by JD Rockefeller, was forced to split up its monopoly. And an additional company that emerged from American Standard Oil was Exxon, today known as Exxon-Mobile. The Exxon logo makes use of the Charlemagne cross within its double X's in Exxon (Scott Wolter made note of this in his TV series)..
Jason
1/4/2014 02:32:08 pm
you're funny!
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stephen compton
2/1/2014 03:16:06 pm
Looking at photos and the episode do those pieces fit together (holes and pegs)?
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Thomas Geraghty
2/11/2015 06:56:45 am
I just watched the show on Netflix. It's a fun show. But this episode was frustrating for the obvious avoidance of the lengthy inscriptions which Scott Wolter ignored. "Where's the translation!" I kept yelling. When the yr AD 800 was discussed in connection with the Knights Templar, things got really nutty. As this writer noted, the Knights were formed in 1100 AD.
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laurier
2/3/2016 12:33:17 pm
The theory itself is good...this show is commercial oriented like most shows like this. The bigger picture here is not about the Knights Templar but about the cross on their uniform. That cross is seen on all things associated to the invention of the Denier currency. That currency is invented just as the Irish monks are in the territory of the Lombards and building monasteries. The denier, currency of the cross, circulates for 1000 years and follows the evolution of the Franks realm which in the era comes to include the Holy Roman Empire. Whoever preceded the Templars as temple guards Western Europe would be the guys who Wolter should mention. He also never mentions the successors of the Templars which were the Order of Christ brotherhood born in Portugal circa 1318. This is where things get complicated...A similar order of temple guards was invented by the French and the Papacy. They were the Jesuits. The order of Christ was a Dutch/Habsburg thing while the Jesuits were a France/Italy thing. Were they allies or competitors ???? I say, follow the Order of Christ evolution ( the world of Saint George and Saint Jerome ) and you might come to know who, if anyone, had an interest in building the Newport Tower and bringing relics to America.
laurier
10/11/2016 12:32:12 pm
After thinking some more about the invention and the elimination of the Templar Order i am left with this suspicion.
MT Tomb
2/23/2013 04:21:09 am
I admit I was intrigued by this show but every episode seems to get more and more preposterous. I looked into the info myself and you're correct in that they left out the ridiculous story written in Latin. I found it odd that Wolter seemed to simply assume the date of 800ad on the cross meant it had to have been created there on that date. My first assumption was that any Spanish explorer (Catholics used Latin) after 1492 could have left those items in the desert. I also found that a slightly earlier yet contemporary local artist was known to craft "artifacts" out of lead. Those items could have been buried there a few years earlier. As for the geological work, it's all suspect as far as I'm concerned. In an earlier episode he used his expertise to confirm an item's authenticity when later in the show the item is confirmed to be a fake! I was surprised they even included that as it calls into question all Wolter's work. The History channel is sabotaging its own reputation by airing shows like this and, the even more dubious, Ancient Aliens. And the worst part is that the masses take all this as scientific truth. These shows belong on the SciFi channel alongside Ghost Hunters and not on a channel that's always been associated with real history. *sigh*
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2/23/2013 09:31:14 am
I too was interested this episode until the Templer thing came up. The Templer thing and Scott Wolter is really, I don't know what to call it, strange. I know Wolter and I'll tell anyone who listens that he is full of BS. Why he wamts to tout the Templers is beyond me but, what do I know. I sure as hell would like to know what a forensic gelogist is. Never hear of one.
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Lynn Brant
2/23/2013 09:33:43 am
google Burrows Cave
Danielle
2/24/2013 04:51:24 am
Lynn. U r close minded. U don't know everything like u think u do.
Truthnhonesty
10/1/2013 12:11:45 pm
You are a fool, it is a proven fact the Templars came to America, and the Masons claim themselves they came from the Templars, our founders were all Masons
GF Reel
11/5/2013 01:03:00 am
I was wondering why no one thought that they might have been brought by early Spanish travelers (especially J. Onate-there is a love hate relationship with him in my town and nearby El Paso) Why couldn't a traveler have brought an OLD cross with him from a Spanish grave. And since I live with caliche, caliche seeps - I understand Scott said the cross was encrusted, but just the one test doesn't really date the site or the cross. I agree with your comments though about the show...they did seem to get more and more preposterous.
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Kelz
2/1/2014 12:28:16 pm
I love this show and Ancient Aliens....but no one watches them because they think they're real, do they? I mean, seriously, they don't, right?
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Zack
2/2/2014 10:58:46 pm
Yes to some point they could most certainly be real.
Kristian
2/23/2013 04:57:24 am
As usual, a great summary and analysis, Jason.
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Jake
2/23/2013 05:40:12 am
Now this is how you argue against a theory properly. Far less speculation and assumptions in this argument. Based on this reading, I am inclined to agree with you that they were likely faked. This is much better than your last article on this subject.
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2/23/2013 05:55:12 am
The AD system was invented in 525 CE, imposed in Charlemagne's German realms around 800 CE, but was only widely adopted in Latin south (southern France, Spain, Italy, etc.) around 1000 CE when the popes switched to it.
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Matt
3/7/2013 02:40:37 am
Jason, I find your inference that because you believe that the population of white people in America is decreasing, this would mean that some people would be drawn to Scott Wolter's show in some sort of indirect innoculation from the present demographic changes. That statement on its own is an insult and shows a certain bias on your part. 3/7/2013 02:48:09 am
The "white" population is not decreasing in absolute terms but only as a relative percentage of the overall population. You may be insulted by the suggestion that historical fantasies have a resonance for their audience, but this is not bias on my part but rather a conclusion drawn from evidence. "Bias" is a preconceived notion; I drew my conclusion from watching many episodes of this show. In fact, the first episode, about the Maya, obscured this narrative, and I only recognized it much, much later in the series' run--the very opposite of bias. 1/4/2014 03:23:55 pm
Why would Wolter not be correct? And by the way, the Spaniards were not Mexicans, hence, European.
Andrew
9/2/2015 09:18:59 am
It isn't racism that attracts many viewers It is a mistrust of academia which is solely the fault of academics. People in rural communities and the the lower class. feel that there is an elitist element in academia that is well justified by the past and current attitudes. how is this the fault of academics? Well there is a fairly consistent message they have been sending out " We are experts there by smarter than you just accept what we say as fact, we don't feel like providing consistent evidence because you wont understand it anyway" This is how these theories develop people naturally question things and when the information that has been provided to them is incomplete and over simplified they find apparent holes in the logic.
Christopher Randolph
2/23/2013 07:22:45 am
"Just because you can speak it doesn't mean you can write it."
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Jake
2/23/2013 07:35:07 am
Who says the person who made the inscriptions was the expedition's scribe? You're assuming that person was the official scribe. Perhaps the scribe was killed and someone else took over which is why the grammar is poor.
Christopher Randolph
2/23/2013 08:01:54 am
"Who says the person who made the inscriptions was the expedition's scribe?"
HB Kelley
7/23/2013 06:58:42 am
Jake: You made since, this Jason seems like he does not like Wolter and you can't change his mind on that. I have lived in Arizona all my life and have found caves with Knights Templar and Celtic alphabet in them. In one cave it appears the Templar and Celtics were there together telling where they are from and where they are going. I had some experts in Templar and Celtic writings look at the photos from inside the cave and they agree it is from around 800 AD. These experts sure want me to show them where the cave is, but not until I have done all my investigation into it. The writings in the cave are so numerous that I need to get back in there and get it all logged with movie and digital cameras. The amount of writings tells me whom ever carved the writings, were there a long. time. I don't see anywhere on this blog where I can post a photo of the cave.
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HB Kelley
7/30/2013 09:22:36 am
I forgot to mention, on the lead artifacts found in the caliche, was malachite. Malachite takes hundreds of years to form, I know this for a fact and if you don't believe that, look it up for yourself. Malachite is formed in most of the sand washes in Arizona where copper is present and it takes hundreds of years of water soaking through the sands to form it. Caliche is the best place for malachite to form. I was wondering why Jason did not mention the malachite on the lead artifacts, So Jason tell all the facts and not your dislike for the fact Celtics and Templars did come to the American southwest hundreds of years ago.
HB Kelley
7/30/2013 09:24:17 am
Jason, what about the malachite on the lead artifacts, which takes hundreds of years to form. Hummm. 7/30/2013 09:48:11 am
Malachite is formed from the oxidation of copper and can form very quickly, as in copper pipes or on pennies. In fact, with a little lemon juice you can produce a malachite coating on (copper) pennies in an afternoon. You're thinking of the formation of large-scale, rock-sized malachite deposits, which take much longer to develop into big rocks.
HB Kelley
7/30/2013 10:21:32 am
Wrong, your talking about oxidation not the forming of the crystals that are on the lead artifacts. Oxidation is not malachite, this I know for sure, you see I have worked in the copper mines for many years and know what it takes to make malachite and not just oxidation build up on a copper object. Oxidation on copper is like rust is to iron the same thing, just a build up of the metal deteriorating away. 7/30/2013 10:41:31 am
The malachite on pennies requires more than just the lemon juice to form; it's a standard science experiment kids used to do in school. The reaction produces Cu2CO3(OH)2, the same as in the rocks. It forms particularly quickly in the presence of limestone (or quick lime), which gives the carbonate to the forming compound.
HB Kelley
7/30/2013 11:08:23 am
If you look at the malachite on the lead objects you will see it is in the crystal form and not oxidation, which proves to me the objects were buried for hundreds of years. Why do you insist on making America Unearthed into something it is not. It's a very good show and gives one another look at the possibilities of other Europeans coming here hundreds of years before Columbus. What is so wrong with that. As I said before, I can show you a cave here in Arizona that will blow your mind, to bad I can't post a photo of the cave. The cave is about 50 miles from Tucson and the writings on the wall are both Celtic and Tempal alphabet. This cave was found many years before America Unearthed was ever heard of. I did some serious investigation into who wrote this stuff. I was amazed to find it was ancient Celtic and Templar alphabet and not American Indian.
Richard Clark
11/29/2013 06:07:27 pm
I hope you post the pic's you found in the cave.
Don
2/23/2013 07:49:11 am
Jason,
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Jake
2/23/2013 08:23:54 am
That was a pretty ridiculous moment in archeology.
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Christopher Randolph
2/23/2013 07:57:34 am
Jason -
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William Smith
2/23/2013 08:17:09 am
I noticed holes in some of the artifacts which may imply they were made to hang on a wall. If the caliche is a form of concrete it should be able to be tested for age by measuring the cure time rate of the minerals that make it up. Wolter has stated that his lab and their microscope technology is the leading facility for this work. Makes you wonder when no report has been made on the mortar sample taken from the Newport Tower.
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Jake
2/23/2013 08:22:51 am
"I'm basing this in the fact that this would be the only person from whom we have inscriptions. I know you don't care whether or not anyone finds your fantasy world racist. I expect nothing else."
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Christopher Randolph
2/23/2013 08:31:04 am
Who typed 'professional'? I didn't.
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Red Johnson
2/23/2013 08:31:09 am
Jason, can you recruit a geologist to comment on some of this scienctific work? I agree that without a baseline of moisture data from that area and other scientific tests relating to mineral deposition on lead, Wolter's results are "eye-ball" old and nothing more. Has he ever even published a single scientific paper that describes the chemical reactions and rates behind his aging work? Seems everything he touches he proclaims as authentic when in fact most likely none of them are because his aging work is not based on any baseline of data. Someone with much better credentials needs to confront this work before too many kids are harmed by bad geology and incorrect historical conclusions. Good work btw. We know how hard it must be to write at the quality level you do.
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2/23/2013 08:53:33 am
Thanks for the compliment. The hardest part of writing reviews like these is the mountain of information needed to make sense out of the weird claims. In my Ancient Aliens review, for example, I am frequently driven to distraction trying to figure out what the heck they're talking about since they seem completely uninformed even about their own ideas!
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Kate
2/23/2013 12:30:53 pm
I couldn't agree more -- this show is undermining geology as a science. What's worse is that the U of MN has a fantastic geology department that has been featured on this show in previous episodes to perform *1* measurement that has almost no bearing on the investigation. I could continue to express my disappointment with this program, but I'm already getting a headache by merely considering the list of inadequacies.
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2/23/2013 12:38:42 pm
Thank you very much for that, Kate. It's great to hear from a real geologist that my cursory reading on caliche formation was on the right track. It makes me feel better. The material on the azurite/malachite was fascinating.
Celine
11/30/2013 08:56:17 am
I've lived in Tucson all my life and judging by the scenery, I live within two miles of where these crosses were found. I would be happy to send some dirt samples to Jason or anyone that would like to do some testing. I really couldn't believe this episode. It was just too absurd.
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Dave Morris
2/23/2013 12:50:57 pm
Thank you for writing this. I found this blog using Bing to search for more information on these artifacts, because I could not believe the show didn't even give us a translation of the Latin. I studied Latin for 2 years, and while I recognized a lot of words as garden variety vocabulary, I wanted somebody to give us a translation. It was incredible to me that they omitted it. Of course, with your analysis, it makes a lot of sense that they failed to translate it. This show appears to be joining so many other shows that are more about entertainment than about real truth. Sigh.
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Reuben
2/23/2013 01:10:28 pm
I feel like this show would be much stronger if they took 10 minutes away from random backpack shots and had Scott say something about what "mainstream archaeologists" think/don't think about this topic, and then making up some bogus about why it's wrong. They don't even need to change where the show ends up, but a short analysis of the literature (flawed or not) would do a lot for the show.
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Joe
2/27/2013 05:10:59 am
And you're not even joking about the "random backpack shots." I think Wolter must be getting product placement money from whoever made his pack! This episode has at least two shots where they bend over backwards to get that backpack into the frame: The shot in the car where his son has to haul the pack up to the front seat to get the Tums bottle, then a totally pointless shot where they go under the barbed wire and we need to see Wolter get the backpack handed back to him.
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Doug Harris
2/23/2013 02:19:03 pm
Has anyone else done the same study to disprove the find or is this all opinion?
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Phillip
2/23/2013 04:59:22 pm
WOW, What a circus. History should be rewritten based on local legend, and a cell phone confirmation that AD was used in 800. Well Im convinced, the prequel to the Knights Templar was from the good ole' U.S. of A! YEE HAW!
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intelligentheating
2/24/2013 12:21:46 am
"The Priory of Sion was fiction"
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Scott M
2/24/2013 03:03:41 am
Hey, I like Pawn Stars. The focus of the show tends to be more historical items so that's why I watch. It's like a random smattering of history with a little entertainment. Give it a chance, it's certainly no Ancient Aliens or America Unearthed, at least Pawn Stars deals in some factual research.
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Joe
2/27/2013 05:16:08 am
That's the weird world of "reality" TV. Pawn Stars is good concerning the history of the items they discuss...it's just you can't trust that it was truly something that happened to show up at the shot or a plant done just for the show. (They've been caught doing that on multiple occasions, including a classic guitar that showed up at their shot that their guitar expert had been trying to sell, brought to them by none other than an employee of their guitar expert!)
Phillip
2/23/2013 05:17:00 pm
P.S. Im watching the History Channel right now and a man is pawning a grenade. God I love history.
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2/23/2013 05:39:04 pm
I wrote a post called America Unearthed: A Response to Tucson Relics (The Desert Cross): http://madridismus.blogspot.com/2013/02/america-unearthed-response-to-tucson.html
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CFC
2/23/2013 10:57:43 pm
Kate,
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sherm
2/24/2013 03:49:11 am
Yes,you are right about that too.. that claim has been made before. When he used a concrete core sampler bit and drilled a 2 inches deep and 2 inch diameter hole in the kensington runestone it was just so insane. Then he spred some release agent on it and made a mold and turned the stone black. Just appaling. Keep him away from the Mona Lisa with that drill.
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Mike
2/24/2013 12:14:08 am
Jason,
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2/24/2013 12:21:57 am
I never said that the audience was racist, but it's hard to ignore, as I said, the correlation between the narrative offered on the show and the political climate in which it is offered. This ought to be no more shocking than the fact that 1960s alternative theories focused on the peace/love/ecology angle (paralleling the counterculture) or the war of the worlds/nuclear annihilation theme (paralleling the Cold War). Or that in the early 21st century there was such a craze for the Chinese-discovered-America theme, when modern America was confronted with the rise of China, or in the 1990s the (white) Atlantis as global hegemon, at the same time modern America played the same global role.
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Mike
2/24/2013 01:54:29 pm
Thanks for your reply, and for tolerating the provocative nature of my post. I take your point that you do hear from a vocal portion of the show's audience.
Mike
2/24/2013 01:54:46 pm
Thanks for your reply, and for tolerating the provocative nature of my post. I take your point that you do hear from a vocal portion of the show's audience.
Mike
2/24/2013 01:55:23 pm
Thanks for your reply, and for tolerating the provocative nature of my post. I take your point that you do hear from a vocal portion of the show's audience.
Mike
2/24/2013 02:05:05 pm
Sorry for the multiple posts. Each time I submitted it, it replied:
HB Kelley
7/30/2013 09:29:45 am
Jason, you brought the race issue in this from your long winded comment about the show. What I would like to know, is why did you not mention the fact that malachite is on the lead artifacts and it takes malachite hundreds of years to form. This I know for a fact and if you don't believe it, look it up for yourself.
Kevbo
11/2/2013 07:47:23 pm
The fact of the matter is that people like to hear about their own culture, even if it's made up. That doesn't make someone racist. Coming up with the stories against all evidence might, but tuning in and zonking out are another matter. People get tired of the same old stories about the amazing minorities. I guess some people consider that incipient racism, but that's pretty much par for the course as far as humanity is concerned, and is completely natural, and doesn't have to be dangerous or evil. A narrative that reinforces the idea that White people are oh-so-racist can, on the other hand, get to be dangerous. (This particular guy has so many problems that I wouldn't put much past him.)
Christopher Randolph
2/24/2013 03:03:31 am
Riddle me this, Mike:
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2/24/2013 03:06:40 am
Small point of fact: The first episode of the series did claim that the Maya built the mounds of Georgia. This episode, however, is the only one to focus on a non-white people and only did so because it was special-ordered by H2 to coincide with their 2012 Maya Apocalypse programming bloc.
Joe
2/27/2013 05:29:10 am
Prior to this show I hadn't really noticed any racial undertones. I figured most of Wolter's alternative claims were just made because they sounded more fun and exciting than the conventional theories. "Those aren't spring houses, but ritual baths!" "Englishmen were in the Arizona desert!" "Giant Vikings were in Minnesota!"
jim
7/30/2013 07:34:01 am
Oh My GOD! enough with the racial crap! put this all aside and just look at the this laughable junk called history channel. I agree with this blog as far as the artifacts go. They are fake plain and simple alot of knowledgeable people have pointed this out based on the story presented. Now, as much as you want this to be true it isnt. now lets move on there is a reason why these items have been laying around in the AZ building for so long with out anyone taking them seriously.
Cheryl
2/22/2015 02:52:30 am
Too True !! Why not spotlight Cahokia or the Ohio Valley and Louisiana mound builders ? What about Chaco Valley and Toltec roads etc. in the South West ? It does seem as if the Templar/Mason connection has always been the focus of America Unearthed.
Sean
2/24/2013 05:12:27 am
When it comes to AU and its implications to the history of the indigenous people of North America there are more than a couple things to consider. Yes, the viewership of this show is inevitably made up many different types of people watching for different reasons. It’s clear from this blog that some proportion of the audience is watching to evaluate the show’s lack of methodology and objectivity. However, when the issue of race comes into the conversation evaluating this program cannot be approached in the same way. This isn’t simply a matter of whether or not the production team did proper research on an object or site, or whether the proper tests are being performed. This is an ever-present shadow in our culture and it’s almost a national pastime not to discuss it but here we are again. When we talk about racism we tend to speak of in absolute terms as if it were light and darkness. There’s rarely ever a discussion of degrees on the subject. To refer to a person as a racist is to condemn that person in whole to being hateful. While supporting a racially motivated theory because you can relate to it in someway doesn’t make you a racist nor does it make you innocent of bias. Doing so does in fact help to advance ideas that others can use as justification for more overtly racist ends. Therefore the benign action of support cannot be severed entirely in its culpability.
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2/24/2013 05:19:19 am
Those are great points, Sean, and I think you're right to point to the difference between racial hatred and simple cultural bias. In the case of America Unearthed, I think that cultural bias is what we are looking at more than anything else, where the people making and consuming these particular ideas use them as part of a sort of cultural revitalization movement. In that sense, they aren't driven by any "hatred" of non-white peoples, only a cultural bias that means that they simply don't consider them at all. While that doesn't make the individuals racists (and most are not in any way), the EFFECTS of their speculations certainly have racial implications in the larger sense.
Lynn Brant
2/24/2013 05:28:47 am
So let me get this straight - because I don't believe any Chinese or Mayan or ancient Hebrew people came here before Columbus, and because I do believe Norse did (and beyond L'Anse aux Meadows), I'm a racist? 2/24/2013 05:35:36 am
No, the belief in any one of the alternative theories doesn't make anyone a racist. A show like America Unearthed, however, consistently and exclusively presents multiple "theories" that repeat the same basic narrative of white culture destroyed by interactions with non-whites. It is the narrative that is being spun--largely without any evidence--that makes many uncomfortable because of the consistent theme that (a) native peoples could not build their own giant dirt piles or mud-brick buildings without white help and (b) the downfall of white culture in America comes at the hands of non-whites.
Lynn Brant
2/24/2013 05:46:51 am
Do you think Scott, the producer and the History Channel are all in cahoots to advance racism subliminally? 2/24/2013 06:04:12 am
No, I don't. I think, though, that no one involved has stopped for a moment to think about the thematic message the program is sending through the choices its producers and host have made, choices based in large part on their own cultural biases.
Lynn Brant
2/24/2013 06:15:56 am
I don't know, Jason. It still sounds to me like you're ready to label someone a racist because their thematic message was, in your opinion, arrived at as a result of their cultural bias. It strikes me that the only way they could have avoided this condemnation would have been to have a different thematic message, So I'm back to wondering if you think we should weigh evidence based on how racist it might look, which would be contrary to science. 2/24/2013 06:32:41 am
Evidence is evidence regardless of its cultural impact, but the story Scott Wolter is telling is not based on evidence. Because it is constructed from half-truths and speculation, it's legitimate to treat it as one would any piece of literature, to tease out the themes and messages. As literary theorists know, the author's intent is only a part of how a text can be interpreted since the message exists independent of the messenger.
Christopher Randolph
2/24/2013 02:39:30 pm
Lynn -
Christopher Randolph
2/24/2013 02:55:05 pm
Lynn -
T.
2/24/2013 03:15:24 pm
"So let me get this straight - because I don't believe any Chinese or Mayan or ancient Hebrew people came here before Columbus, and because I do believe Norse did (and beyond L'Anse aux Meadows), I'm a racist?"
Lynn Brant
2/24/2013 12:28:09 am
The only race angle I see is in the quick presumption that many of the artifacts had to have been european, because indians could not have accomplished them.
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Christopher Randolph
2/24/2013 03:08:02 am
The central tenet of the show is that the native peoples of North America could not have accomplished anything. The level of racism that assumption needs is staggering, especially in the face of what qualified archeologists know about what did happen on this continent.
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Lynn Brant
2/24/2013 04:32:43 am
After all the breast-beating about scientific method, I hope no-one is seriously suggesting that evidence should be weighed, even in part, by considering whether it might look racist to someone, somewhere. 2/24/2013 04:52:44 am
No, Lynn. I think the point is that BECAUSE there is no proof that these speculations have any grounding in fact, it becomes an interesting question why people choose to propose and/or believe that which science says is improbable or untrue.
Christopher Randolph
2/24/2013 03:09:43 pm
Lynn -
dave richards
2/24/2013 02:12:51 am
I was looking for a more plausible "ancient Aliens" theory.
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CFC
2/24/2013 04:50:17 am
I’m not paying much attention to the “race angle” (I’m not receiving nasty emails like Jason) but do find the discussion intriguing. important.
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intelligentheating
2/24/2013 07:13:33 am
So from watching the show since its first episode we are generally lead to believe that the following cultures had some presence in what now constitutes the United States prior to Columbus (please correct me if I am wrong here). These come through either explicit mention of these cultures in the show, or from those mentioned on certain artifacts (for example those listed on the lead crosses):
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Phillip
2/24/2013 11:36:15 am
HA! Very well said.
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J.
2/25/2013 03:58:46 am
Yeah -- no doubt. I'm not professionally trained in archaeology, so again, pros speak up, but it's the detritus that usually marks a presence of past people. I grew up in Wisconsin just a few blocks from the Mississippi, and as a kid I found three arrowheads in the bluffs behind my neighborhood. They weren't part of a hidden stash, they were just around. There was an archaeological dig in the floodplain about a mile away from our house, and most of what they found were remnants of everyday life -- food waste like nut shells and bones, pottery, that sort of thing.
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Lisa
3/18/2013 12:36:14 am
Haha, I love your summation, when you put it all together like that it shows the utter nonsense of this show.
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Ben
11/30/2013 06:28:41 pm
Clearly all WHITE EUROPEAN cultures, especially those Egyptians.
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terry the censor
2/24/2013 12:06:33 pm
> Wolter says that the same symbol represented the dragonfly to Native Americans so both groups “shared” it
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terry the censor
2/24/2013 12:09:34 pm
> Prove that this “precursor” group existed 300 years before the Templars
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B L
2/24/2013 02:47:21 pm
Wolter pointed out the Cross of Lorraine several times during the episode, and used it as evidence of a Templar Knights connection.
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J. Adamson
2/25/2013 12:52:18 am
Just out of curiosity, was there caliche present on all of the artifacts?
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2/25/2013 01:22:31 am
Excellent questions. It would have been nice had Wolter published or at least posted his results to know that kind of information.
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J.
2/25/2013 03:35:10 am
I'm just getting to this episode a few days late, and have watched only the first 9 minutes of it. Then I paused it because Wolter's already come out swinging at the academic scarecrows he sets up each episode, and something already seemed off. So without seeing any more of this episode yet, and having read only Jason's first paragraph here, I'm going to take a leap and suggest that even if these were real artifacts from Europe, they could have been brought to Arizona at any time after Columbus or the founding of Columbus, Ohio, or after the first launch of the Space Shuttle Columbia, and planted to look like prior evidence of a European presence. I'm also guessing that this possibility won't be seriously entertained, if even raised.
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B L
2/26/2013 10:51:00 am
Attention everyone interested in the America Unearthed drinking game: This weeks word is "caliche". Buy lots of beer because you will end up drinking it all.
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Lisa
3/18/2013 12:41:21 am
BL - I was just saying to my mates that this show is calling for a drinking game and it seems there is one already - Are the rules posted somewhere or can you elaborate?
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I respectfully disagree with your analysis.
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T.
2/26/2013 12:05:50 pm
Scott Wolter does not have a Ph.D., and is not well respected. There has been plenty of analysis of the area, and the "artifacts" all of which has determined that these things are total nonsense. It would take too long to point out all the things that are wrong with your post. Please be quiet when the grown-ups are talking.
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How rude. 2/26/2013 10:32:16 pm
According to a 2009 article in Southwest Archaeology, there were several reasons the artifacts were made. The most important was that they were meant to attract money to an economically-suffering Tucson by capitalizing on the craze for King Tut's tomb and archaeology in the early 1920s. Another reason these specific peoples were chosen to be represented on the artifacts is that a Roman-Jewish colony agreed with the timeline in the Book of Mormon, the holy book of a growing segment of the Western population.
T.
2/27/2013 04:01:25 pm
You're a another Kensington Runestone nut!? Why do guys you always have the same tone of persecution? Let it go already! It's called evidence. If you don't have it you can't play! BTW you do realize that when you call some a doctor in this context you're implying that they have a Ph.D., right? And you clearly don't know anything about academia that you don't get from conspiracy chat rooms. As for experience, it's not transferable for everything, you can have 30 years experience as a taxi driver but it doesn't qualify you to fly the space shuttle.
Delann
3/3/2013 09:21:19 am
Geologist Scott Wolter has authored eight books and has been president of American Petrographic Services since 1990 and is responsible for the independent petrographic analysis testing laboratory where the Kensington Rune Stone was brought for investigation in 2000. He's been the principal petrographer in more than 5,000 investigations throughout the U.S. and around the world, including the evaluation of fire damaged concrete at the Pentagon following the attacks of September 11, 2001. 2/26/2013 12:06:59 pm
I said nothing of the Hebrew inscriptions because I can't read Hebrew. The Latin quotations include pedestrian segments from obscure passages, such as Sallust's Catiline Conspiracy 60.4, not a curriculum text in Late Antiquity. 34 lines are copied directly from passages appearing in a single 1881 Latin primer. That's too much to be coincidence.
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Don Hendrix
12/28/2019 06:03:52 pm
The Hell we can't proclaim these artifacts a hoax. Tru Leigh's post is absurd and shows nothing except ignorance about the artifacts. Everyone except the ignorant and gullible, are certain that this is a hoax.
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Joe
2/27/2013 04:37:22 am
"One cross has a dinosaur drawn on it. A dinosaur."
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Andy
12/10/2013 12:44:04 am
Yes, agreed. Best line of the review. Made me laugh out loud.
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Joe
2/27/2013 04:58:49 am
I don't mind hearing about alternative theories. They can be entertaining and some might even have something to them--plenty of examples where the mainstream believed things to be one way, only to later discover they were wrong. But what I resent is a guy like Wolter who rails against people ignoring his alternative theories, only to totally ignore competing alternative theories that don't fit with his. Here, he finds supposedly genuine artifacts, but totally ignores most of what is inscribed on them to run with his own competing theory. Exactly what are we to believe Wolter was thinking? That the inscriber back in 800 AD was totally wrong about the parts concerning the Jews and Toltecs, but spot-on concerning everything that fit with Wolter's Knights Templar theory?
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SN
2/28/2013 02:00:25 am
Patriarchal cross of the Orthodox churches (for example Greek) looks the same as the cross of Lorraine.
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J.
2/28/2013 06:51:15 pm
I was taking notes on all of this, and then had a crash and lost my notes. Gah! (save save save)
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Olan
3/1/2013 04:43:51 pm
Jason, thanks for giving me some hope regarding the frenzied uncritical ravings of a desperate and declining "American" majority,.Your writing style is excellent. I found your post after seeing the dinosaur. Hard to google when ROFL.
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Phrosst
3/1/2013 09:57:45 pm
I just watched this show. The Romans that made these artifacts belonged to the roman catholic church because of the cross etched on the paddle thingy and thek nights templar also used that symbol so there for the romans the that made might not be tied to the knights templar directly but indeed connected via the church so the assumption that is they were precursor of the knights templar are very valid theory be cause in fact the symbol is of the roman catholic church which the knights templar also used. Upon reading your article I never once saw that you mentioned this connection but if you did point me to it. Otherwise I have no reason to believe that you are right about the lies. So I side with the show about this subject.
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3/1/2013 10:27:38 pm
Seriously? The Cross of Lorraine was invented in Lorraine, used by the Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem, and bestowed on the Knights Templar. Anyone, however, could draw it. If I scratch it on a rock today, am I therefore part of the conspiracy? Sometimes people just draw things by copying them out of books.
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Phrosst
3/2/2013 09:30:52 am
That is true but that doesn't mean its possible. Seriously, you of all people should know that roman catholic uses the Loraine cross as a symbol and if these were romans that means they probably were apart of the catholic church. I really see no proof as to they are not connect. I believe you are the kind of person to say random stuff is fake for attention. if you had proof that my information is a lie on wikipedia (where I got most of my info), as in figure out who typed the false info and tell me then I will believe you. Until i think your just another idiot. I mean Honestly I see more evidence that they are both connected via the cross than not. Good day to you mate.
Elike
3/4/2013 05:34:42 pm
I'm wondering why this came to a racial point? People are people, big deal. The bigger issue I have is with Scott's seeming obsession with the templars? Now while I'm sure he's a good geologist or whatever he thinks he is, but I'm also sure he's NOT an archaeologist. What he seems like is a dog with a bone, or some mystical hooked bone. I'd be willing to bet that if the "HISTORY" channel put all the money and effort they put into fictional history and spent that on something real like the tombs, caves, and pyramids that are in america but without the conspiracy theory spin they'd probably have a pretty good show.
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Elike
3/4/2013 05:39:19 pm
After thought: If this show was called something like psuedohistory and the writers took scott's conclusions as individual episodes to say how history could have been that would probably also be a better show.
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Family Tree
3/9/2013 05:52:16 am
I just can't understand how this whole discussion came down to race?? Have any of you people studied your family trees? If so, you would understand that this country has been a melting pot for a very long time. Therefore, any alternative history that is unearthed probably would have something to do with your ancestry.... No matter what race you now classify yourself.. Grow up people!!!
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Howard
3/12/2013 04:31:20 pm
Let me just say, I've watched every episode of this show, and while I enjoy the entertainment value, I can see see right through it and recognize it as crap investigative revisionist history. And despite the credit given to Wolter (including himself patting himself on the back) as a "forensic geologist" I find him to be a hack. He continues to stumble and act almost as an amature in his investigation proccess. Clearly he avoids truth when it's convient.
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Howard
3/12/2013 04:38:00 pm
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Don Hendrix
2/3/2016 01:51:50 pm
Unlike most here, I have seen and examined these "artifacts" and the locatin where they were found, and the idea of anyone doing so and believing them to be authentic, is just silly. The only people who are claiming them to be real are looking for $$$.
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Howard
3/12/2013 04:39:42 pm
6) Jason snobbishly blathered that American white audiences seek revionist history to soothe their fear of impending encroachment of other races. Wow, sounds like the fear of "Asian" encroachment in Great Britain. When my British brother in law told me about this, I thought he meant, you know Chinese, Japanese or some orientals of some kind when he said "Asian". No, he meant Pakistani and those of middle-eastern descent. Yea, there's no skin heads in Europe is there? And btw, the American colonies were the English colonies first, and that's when slavery started in America. Now I certainly don't defend racism in America. And as a white male married to a black female for 26 years I have seen it from both sides. It disgusts me that the US has such a horrible history in this regard. But I take offence when the obviously superior hypocritical attitude, based on some movie watching dumb hillibilly American stereotype is ascribed to those who watch this show.The whole "white fear" presupposition is an over simplification to a long term projection. And really based on some amature psychology. While I agree there are those elements in the white subconcious of Americans, I can also see some bias in the analysis.
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Regarding your second point I would respectfully point out that at many of our national parks their is plentiful evidence of habitation. At least three come to mind, Sharpsburg, Gettysburg, and Murfreesboro. These are national parks with monuments and are still viable existing communities. For national parks that were formerly inhabited you have Mesa Verde, Chaco canyon, and any of the various Mound Builder communities.
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David B
3/15/2013 07:15:24 pm
Scott Wolter should be given alot of credit for what he is doing and give the man a chance. 50.8153 Lat. and 105.03153 Long. you will see a Viking.
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David B.
4/13/2013 05:52:16 pm
Scott Wolter is only one person covering an area of archeology and I was asked to do a weekly TV series on archeology as our North American Governments are covering up our medieval history and the media company wanted the truth out. Scott Wolter is doing that.. The Knights of Columbus were started in Quebec after the Jesuits pillaged every Culdee monk burial mound they could find.
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CFC
3/17/2013 10:11:25 am
Give him credit for what; Misinforming the public? Not doing proper research? Promoting himself as an expert on topics he has no knowledge of? Acting like a jerk to Scott Dawson (and who knows how many others along the way)? Being a foul-mouthed bully? Discrediting the field of geology?
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Delann C.
3/17/2013 11:31:45 am
Come on people. Yes, I could unsubscribe to this post, but I was hoping maturity and professionalism would prevail. Does anyone else here have a television show? It is very easy to put others down using absolutes and superlatives, but I believe that just makes "you" (whoever you are) look bad. I think we all deserve a certain amount of respect, including Mr. Wolter. And for those of us who don't have a TV show, I suggest we not make ourselves look petty and small by trying to put anyone else down. Anyone with as many years "experience" and whatever else it took to end up with the TV show is worthy of respect in my book. Just my feelings. Sorry, but this is getting ridiculous.
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3/17/2013 11:41:25 am
Investigating Mr. Wolter's claims is not about putting him down; it is about searching out the facts behind his claims. Having a television show is no longer a major achievement, nor is it connected to experience or professionalism. Other TV shows in the genre are or have been headed by ghost hunting plumbers, ghost hunting college students, a body building promoter, an X-Files actor, a Star Trek actor (two of them across three shows), etc. Wolter ended up with this show because he impressed producer Maria Awes with his theorizing, and she worked tirelessly since 2008 to get him on TV.
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Delann C.
3/17/2013 11:49:36 am
Mr. Colavito, you obviously like to debate/argue. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels like this so with no further comment or post, I bid you adieu.
Delann C.
3/17/2013 11:52:28 am
By the way, Mr. Colavito, is this you? <<I am an author, editor, and skeptical xenoarchaeologist specializing in the interesection of horror fiction, science fiction, and (pseudo)science. I am the author of several books, including The Cult of Alien Gods (Prometheus, 2005) and A Hideous Bit of Morbidity (McFarland, 2009).>> And you believe you are qualified to stand in judgment of Mr. Wolter. LOL 3/17/2013 12:17:26 pm
Is that me? Well, yes, this is my website. You might also note that I have a degree in archaeology and have covered it as a journalist for the past decade or so. My first book was a 300-page study of pseudo-history and those that advocate it, "The Cult of Alien Gods." But if Wolter doesn't need qualifications to rewrite history, I don't need specialized qualifications to judge his claims, only the facts.
Paul Cargile
4/21/2013 02:58:47 am
"Having a television show is no longer a major achievement, nor is it connected to experience or professionalism. "
I must admit, I too am a bit dissuaded by the scrutiny of Mr. Wolter's investigative skills. I've studied them at length, and they have proven very successful for me.
terry the censor
5/21/2013 06:24:01 pm
@CMark
CFC
3/17/2013 12:17:06 pm
Jason is an archaeologist and trained journalist. He is consistently diplomatic and fair in his assessments and does a great job of providing references. Also, he corrects errors when they are brought to his attention. He's holding the America Unearthed program accountable for the expectations raised by the producers.
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Howard
3/20/2013 03:25:42 am
Here is a couple of possibilities with these lead objects.
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Howard
3/20/2013 03:29:38 am
Gila monster? Lizard? Dinosour? Well, how about a dragon? 7th and 8th century Knights often associated themselves with Dragons and dragon slaying. Dragon symbols were used quite a bit on crests of that day.
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yaffa gelb
3/26/2013 01:52:22 am
I'm from Israel and when I saw this program I was puzzled the Hebrew in the artifact does not mean anything I try to translate it to Aramaic but again it is not make sense Mainly because it is not written in Aramaic or Hebrew it is a mixture and therefore does not make sense !!!
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Jon Rothlander
5/18/2013 06:57:42 pm
I am curious why the Hebrew writing was ignored. I also saw what I thought look like Chinese as well. But the show made it look like there was only Latin.
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Jon Rothlander
5/18/2013 07:09:17 pm
Forgot to mention tha the "RHM" could be Rome. So it's possible that two of the Hebrew words say "Gaul" and "Rome", both of which are mentioned in the Latin inscriptions, and one of which is on the same artifact as the Hebrew. Some of the Latin I can see on the back says "terra incognito anno domine DCCLXXV" which I believe would say "the unknown land AD 775."
matt
5/18/2013 06:19:26 am
Tell'em Jason! Fucking evil white people, let's deport them!
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Jon Rothlander
5/18/2013 07:14:06 pm
>>[Update: I checked my Victorian-era natural history books, which
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MITCHELL DAY
5/27/2013 04:37:10 pm
Jason, this would be a good article if your racial paranoia didn't get the better of you. Just to set the record straight the people from the Iberian peninsula ARE White. Whether they're Jews or Gauls(actually from France) or Romans(actually from Italy where the Latins originate). Just a detail but an important one. I think you're letting some crackpot pop culture show rile you a little too much.
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5/27/2013 11:28:04 pm
They are "white" by *today's* standards; by the standards of earlier generations, the Latin peoples were not quite at the same level as the Teutonic peoples in terms of their whiteness. I didn't say that Jews were not "white"; I said they weren't "Aryan," another Victorian term with a specific meaning.
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Kevbo
11/2/2013 07:37:39 pm
I think you're a little paranoid. Not saying there aren't White racists of this type, but the implication that this is in great distinction to other groups is getting old. (I mean in general, not just in your case.) That said, you may be on to something.
Jude
7/2/2013 01:24:00 am
It appears to me that the host of "America Unearthed", Scott Wolter, and the writer of this blog, Jason Colavito, each paint equally bizarro and contorted versions of the "historic record". If Wolter's version is spilled milk, then Colavito's is spoiled milk: And an empty or upset stomach is something I can do without...
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des
7/13/2013 08:34:36 pm
What I found "racist" of this "Desert Cross" program was the explanation to justify the account that the so-called escape of the Knight Templar of Southern France related to Islam. The Era of Charlemagne, which was crowned by Pope Leo III, December 25, that marked the dissension of Eastern and Western Churces, was stipulated in the program as the date of the Desert Cross was probably 1,900 years different of the possibility that The Knight Templar may have fighted the Moslem. A 1,900 years gap of lies is certainly the big hole that Wolter unashamely spread.
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Robert
8/22/2013 02:12:16 pm
I am a Master Freemason. I find the show entertaining - in the Indiana Jones sort of way. Yes, freemasonry is a fraternal organisation that has [ritual] secrets, but it is not a secret organisation. Yes, it has a long history, parts of which have become obscured over time. Yes, the First Nations peoples were not the first in NorthAmerica. Yes, there is more forgotten than known in History. Dig deep enough, and you never know what we'll find. Masonic spaceships buried in the desert that date back 50,000 years is unlikely, yet I am awaiting that episode anyway.
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I agree that this show would make for great material for an Indiana Jones series. I am not an archiologist, but it has always been of great interest to me. There is so much conjecture and many unexplained so called facts. Much of Mr. Wolter's theories are rather unbelievable. So it goes with the Da Vinci code cult absurdity.
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Jo
10/12/2013 03:30:04 pm
The Galls were in arizona tea land.! I no it. dont qweshton Scott Walter, hes smarter than you.!
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"C"ker
11/5/2013 03:28:54 am
I read this ENTIRE blog; I accidentally found it while randomly looking up a post on some designer who would have been 120 years old today if he were still alive. I didn't even start there, but my ADHD gift of being able to follow off after the next shiney object is sometimes overwhelmingly entertaining!
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Jason, after reading all of your comments and posts, it sounds like you have Scott envy. It's a television show, and is meant to entertain. You attack one person, fact or not who cares, personally I find some of it "funny", but it gives me entertainment. Stop hating on the dude, if it is so easy to get Television show (as in no accomplishment, or however you put it), go get one of your own and stop stalking his show to find mistakes and "lies", it's TV!
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10/12/2013 11:35:10 pm
Yup, that's me, consumed with envy. That's why I've written more than 2,000 blog posts and five books over the past 10 years (some 2 million words), none of which have anything to do with Scott Wolter. Against that, I wrote a handful of reviews of TV show whose audience reminds me each week by a barrage of email that they believe this show is Absolute Truth and are *angry* that anyone would question their Hero.
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joe
11/29/2013 04:37:53 pm
Even though the show is wrought with inaccuracies, so what? Finally, a show that does not cater to our pathetic and parasitic minorities who are destroying us. Finally, a show that does not try to embellish the wonderfulness of sub-humans.
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joe
11/29/2013 04:41:37 pm
perhaps, to make everyone happy, Scott Wolter can spend an episode showing the incredible brain power the black man needed to develop the mud hut. He can then note they never invented the wheel, never cultivated a plant, never domesticated an animal, never developed a written language, etc.
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Mark Thogerson
11/8/2014 05:49:37 pm
Hmm. Wheels show up elsewhere in African culture, such as stones used for grinding grain, which, by the way, they did cultivate. In other places in Africa, cassava and sweet potatoes were cultivated, as I'm sure other crops were. Domestication of animals implies that there are animals in the area that can be domesticated. Try domesticating a zebra, cape buffalo, giraffe, impala, African elephant or cape hunting dog - it can't be done. Precursors of the Zulus were the first people in the world to smelt iron. Several advanced cultures developed in the area around Benin in the darkest days of Europe's middle ages, and DID have a system of writing. And look at the premier African culture - Egypt. They organized hundreds of thousands of people, built the largest buildings ever built (until the last 30 years or so), had a trading network wider than any group until the Mongols,used medical techniques not used until the last century in the West, had an advanced understanding of mathematics, and had one of the earliest systems of writing. You can't tell me that they are "subuman" in any way. And BTW, even Goebels would have called me an aryan had he seen me!
joe
11/29/2013 04:50:19 pm
Last but not least, Jason, you show your true motives by using the term Aryan. I guess you believe that term - associated with Nazi's, will make Scott Wolter look like a Nazi?
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joe
11/29/2013 05:14:51 pm
Jason shows his true motives when he says, in one of his posts, that Scott Wolter does not give any credence to Sub-Saharan Africans visiting America.
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11/29/2013 10:40:38 pm
I'm sure that Scott Wolter and America Unearthed are proud to have you as a viewer. You seem to be the demographic they're aiming for.
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joe
11/30/2013 02:33:32 am
Jason,
Rob
1/5/2014 01:22:40 pm
South Africa produced Nelson Mandela. The greatest politician of the 20th and 21st centuries. Post-apartheid South Africa is more prosperous than apartheid RSA. As a South African geologist I can assure you that Wolters is a charlatan and life today is better than it was under apartheid (a white Christian Calvinist plan). Thanks to 46 years of oppression and hundreds more of colonialism the country is now beset with a multitude of problems that have deep roots thanks to those preceding eras. My ancestors were all colonial.
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Matk Thogerson
11/8/2014 06:12:36 pm
Most "non-white" countries were doing just fine on their own before European countries claimed them as colonies. When the Europeans left, they didn't leave anyone in charge, leaving power vacuums that were filled by unscrupulous people. Look at Rhodesia, India and China for cases in point.
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joe
11/30/2013 02:40:25 am
Jason,
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joe
11/30/2013 03:01:54 am
Which of the highlighted countries does Jason think visited America???
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11/30/2013 03:08:04 am
You seem to be confusing me for an Afrocentrist, Joe. I don't believe that Africans, East Asians, or Europeans visited America prior to the Vikings. There is some evidence of Polynesians visiting South America. I pointed to sub-Saharan and other alleged voyages because other fringe theorists have advocated them, and Scott Wolter has not explained why he selected only one fringe idea from among many.
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joe
11/30/2013 04:00:05 am
Jason,
Steve
11/30/2013 12:17:39 pm
Jason & Friends, please read the following article carefully. Please note the date. Thank you!
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shy
11/30/2013 05:53:41 pm
oh and look, one again wiki shines through. your quite an expert on using wiki, if nothing else it seems.
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Steve
12/1/2013 03:11:59 am
Sorry, the article was so long that it wasn't completed in the comments. So here is part 2 and it looks like more to come. Thank you!
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Steve
12/1/2013 03:12:06 am
Sorry, the article was so long that it wasn't completed in the comments. So here is part 2 and it looks like more to come. Thank you!
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Steve
12/1/2013 03:12:24 am
Sorry, the article was so long that it wasn't completed in the comments. So here is part 2 and it looks like more to come. Thank you!
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Steve
12/1/2013 03:22:16 am
Part 3 Final part of article.
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Andy
12/10/2013 01:48:05 am
I can't wait until Wolter authenticates an artifact with a "BC" date inscribed on it. That's going to be awesome.
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Andy
12/10/2013 02:10:20 am
Wolter: "Since we have no evidence of fakery AT ALL . . ." Oh geez.
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Andy
12/10/2013 02:20:42 am
I just finished this episode. It is a new "worst one yet." I felt bad for the grandson at the end.
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1/4/2014 03:25:47 pm
I don't watch often but when he spoke of the nights templer in 800AD and knowing the came about during the Crusades, I had to go to google and that is how I ended up here.
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Greg
1/4/2014 07:31:43 pm
Jason, I feel bad that you have to spend so much time doing such an excellent job debunking pure hucksterism. I feel worse that this guy Wolter is laughing all the way to bank.
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Davis
2/15/2014 04:08:54 pm
Reading this blog, the writer needs to remember that the conversos were Spanish. They would have been light skinned not dark skinned like Native Americans. The Hispanic peoples get their skin pigmentation from a mix of Spaniards and local Indians. This created class warfare in early mexico between the light skinned Spaniards and the darker skinned peoples from mixed backgrounds. The comment about trying to bring the white race to the continent first is moot. It doesn't matter whether they were white christians or Spanish conversos, they would have both probably been light skinned. Remember Spain is a European country not a Latin American country.
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carolyn
3/15/2014 12:28:14 pm
What's with the CE AD was good enough for over 2000 years what is up with people who think they need to change it to be more politically correct. America Unearthed at least used the right context wrong or right about the artifacts
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3/15/2014 12:42:07 pm
BCE and CE are the standard abbreviations used in scientific literature because the majority of the world's population are not Christian. It is an effort to be inclusive and to respect that religions have their own calendars, which differ from the Common Era used by Western Civilization. I use those abbreviations because I am following consensus practice.
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Jon
3/16/2014 04:18:27 am
What is the difference? Isn't BCE and CE both based on an estimated date for the birth of Christ at the year 0. Wouldn't these supposed non-Christians that take offense at using BC/AD take offense at using any of them?
Jon
3/16/2014 04:18:32 am
What is the difference? Isn't BCE and CE both based on an estimated date for the birth of Christ at the year 0. Wouldn't these supposed non-Christians that take offense at using BC/AD take offense at using any of them?
Jon
3/16/2014 04:18:46 am
What is the difference? Isn't BCE and CE both based on an estimated date for the birth of Christ at the year 0. Wouldn't these supposed non-Christians that take offense at using BC/AD take offense at using any of them? 3/16/2014 04:44:45 am
There is no year 0 in the BC/AD system. Most scholars no longer believe Christ was born in AD 1 (1 CE) but instead sometime around 7-4 BC/BCE. That's another reason that conventional dates are called the "Common Era." You might note, too, that Islam has its own calendar, which renders dates from Muhammad's flight to Medina, the Hijra.
Jon
3/16/2014 07:51:41 pm
@Jason Colavito
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Don Hendrix
3/19/2014 12:59:00 pm
There is considerable evidence, for those who wish to seek it, that the Tucson "artifacts" are modern fakes. There is very little evidence that supports their authenticity. The "artifacts" are currently on display at the Arizona Historical Society, and the museum appears to be attempting to cash in on the History Channel association by placing labels on the exhibit, which read, "Fact or Fiction?" Having first read about them in a book while I was in high school in the 60's, I had been hoping to examine them ever since, and, last Monday, I was able to do that. By far the most complete account of the history of the "artifacts" occupies the complete Spring 2009 issue of Journal of the Southwest. I recently purchased what was thought to be the last remaining back issue of the publication, but was told, upon arriving to pick it up, that another box of the issue had been found. It may be obtained from the publishers at the University of Arizona for $15. A Google search of Journal of the Southwest will provide the necessary contact information. You will not find a more complete history of the "artifacts" or more photographs than in this publication. The author is Don Burgess, and he appears to have done a very thorough job of research. I don't believe that anyone who reads it can possibly maintain the position that the "artifacts" are genuine.
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Don Hendrix
3/19/2014 02:56:54 pm
I just watched the History Channel "documentary", and
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Don Hendrix
3/19/2014 02:57:05 pm
I just watched the History Channel "documentary", and
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Don Hendrix
3/19/2014 02:57:13 pm
I just watched the History Channel "documentary", and
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Don Hendrix
3/19/2014 02:57:18 pm
I just watched the History Channel "documentary", and
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Don Hendrix
3/19/2014 02:57:25 pm
I just watched the History Channel "documentary", and
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DM
11/17/2014 10:29:10 pm
In which state(s) in America is there critical thinking? Getting hard to tell.
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liz chartier
8/21/2014 04:19:58 pm
I wonder why it seems so hurtful to some people that it is a possibility that white people were in the Americas a very long time ago? It seems like a foolish political agenda instead of a fact finding truth. Some of the things said by the writer were inaccurate. A example is the worry about spelling and verbiage I find foolish because it is not known if these were minded and produced in what generation of descendants of the fleeing people. Anything is possible but to say it isn't seems truly foolish. Why?
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Seb
9/22/2014 01:20:19 pm
It's crystal that this is just an opinion about a tv show.
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Mark Thogerson
11/8/2014 05:12:31 pm
As to the production of crystalline malachite and azurite, it can happen *relatively* quickly - in weeks or months. It only requires that the substrate be (a) something that can oxidize copper (meaning in the chemistry sense that it can remove electrons - and lead is highly electronegative), (b) there is a source of carbonate or bicarbonate (the limestone and caliche), and (c) that a slightly acidic solution (like rainwater) completely immerse the substrate for a period of time. Raindrops pick up CO2 from the atmosphere on their way down making weak carbonic acid that slightly dissolve the limestone and provide an electrolyte for a redox reaction between the lead and copper. As the water slowly evaporates, concentrations of copper carbonate salts precipitate as azurite and malachite. Voila! crystals.
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DM
11/17/2014 10:26:56 pm
What a blight of a series!! My first and last question, though the answer is plain, remains: how do people like Wolter get to go on TV?
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temet
12/29/2014 03:21:31 pm
"we can’t know how fast caliche was forming in the place where they were deposited without knowing about the water table, capillary action, rainfall, etc."
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Ron Bull
10/30/2015 04:20:13 pm
Wouldn't the show have been just as fascinating if it used real facts and evidence? Even though the objects were fake? I would love to watch that show.
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David
12/15/2015 08:32:26 pm
Am watching this program as a rerun on netflix. The only people who might take what Wolter says as complete truth are probably watching the Kardashians anyway. Its entertainment. This guy is making good money producing something that way to many people are taking way to serious. I appreciate sceptics and fringe thinkers alike. I found this blog looking for more info on the lead artifacts because they are interesting... Fake or not. Keep up the good work, but dont take this stuff so seriously. Anyone who watches this type of program and takes it seriously without looking at other evidence and opinion is no threat to anyone anyway.
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John Marks
10/11/2016 09:21:48 am
These shows have just been published on Netflix and I am seeing them for the first time, so hence my late postings.
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Ron Daromdom
11/28/2016 06:20:59 am
I enjoy the show for its fantasy. I can see through the poor science (and that is only with my poor high school science), the lack of research and investigation. I treat it the same way as as a Mad Max movie. It is just fun TV, nothing more. I don't get wrapped around the axle with the pretend science, as it is too obvious. Great fakes for the tourist dollar for those that need a reason to get out in the great outdoors.
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Xavier Proctor
12/24/2016 04:30:24 am
Your ((())) is showing. I cant believe anyone would buy into your joocentric garbage any more than wolters' BS, I see youre also one of those kikes who openly boasts about the west become multiracial and multicultural(anticultural) while your beloved israel builds a wall and maintains some of the strictest immigration laws in the world, which israeli leaders openly say is to preserve their unique identity. Always they same story with you hooked nose scum, waaaaaaa were victims now give us weapons and money, i see why every european country kicked you out at one point or another. Burn in hell marxist filth.
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justice prevails
6/26/2018 03:27:54 am
<b/>Why would Jews, Romans or Gauls have anything to do with christ the cross or what ever this article claims ... Jews and the cross ... get a grip Romans and Jews ... together in a colony ... are you on medication ?</b>
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