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Review of Ancient Aliens S12E16 "Return to Göbekli Tepe"

9/15/2017

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​Next month, the Travel Channel is sending Expedition Unknown host Josh Gates on a “special event” in which he goes in search of “the mother of all questions.” Do I even have to say that he’s doing a multi-episode hunt for ancient astronauts and UFOs? While I have every confidence that Gates will fail to find ET (since he’s never found any other myth he’s looked for), the fact that the ancient astronaut theory—for which, read “ripping off the more popular Ancient Aliens”—is seen as a ratings-grabbing “event” is about as depressing as it gets in the shady world of unscripted cable TV. Almost a decade after Ancient Aliens debuted, it remains the platonic ideal of cable TV programming: lazy, cheap, and wildly popular. Stay on the air long enough, and every program ends up talking about space aliens.
 
And becomes repetitive. That, too. Ancient Aliens has covered the Stone Age Turkish site of Göbekli Tepe, a 12,000-year-old stone temple complex, many times in the past. Off the top of my head, I know of at least six episodes that discuss it, but I’m sure I am forgetting some. It should probably be obvious that the producers of the show were paying attention a few months ago when some Graham Hancock super-fans decided to try to cast Hancock and Andrew Collins’s speculations about the astronomical orientation of the ancient temple complex in academic language in an obscure academic journal, spawning a media frenzy among the uncritical who failed to realize that the academic authors basically just repeated Andrew Collins (though I am surprised that they did not mention the article by name). I give them this much credit, however: Ancient Aliens makes no bones about revisiting a well-worn topic. The title of S12E16 is “Return to Göbekli Tepe,” conceding that we have been down this path before.
​Segment 1
The first segment rehearses the history of the discovery and excavation of Göbekli Tepe in the 1990s and the impact that the discovery of such a large and complex architectural wonder had on archaeology when its true age had been determined. In the real world, Göbekli Tepe demonstrated that monumental architecture was not the outgrowth of agriculture as had been previously thought but rather the effort to create monumental ceremonial sites might have been the driving force bringing hunter-gatherers together into what might be the earliest settlements.
 
But “ancient astronaut theorists” disagree with this assessment and argue that Stone Age human beings were incapable of creating stone structures. The show brings in Andrew Collins to claim that a lost civilization once existed and that Göbekli Tepe is the remains of an Ice Age high culture destroyed by the cataclysm that ended the Ice Age. The show then jumps to the nearby underground cave city of Derinkuyu we’ve all seen on this show many times before, and Collins tells us that he thinks that the survivors of the lost civilization hid out in these caves to survive the impact of a comet, or whatever Ragnarok / Worlds in Collision / Magicians of the Gods speculation they are going with in this segment. Yet the myths they rely upon for the claim of a lost civilization suggest the world was destroyed by flood, but the show does not explain how subterranean caves should protect people from a flood. Are we not to take the myths literally? Then why consider them at all?
​Segment 2
The second segment takes us on a tour of underground Turkish cave cities with Andrew Collins. The show speculates that the cave cities are Paleolithic and that Paleolithic people built them. This isn’t well established, and most believe the cave cities to date from Phrygian times, carved from soft volcanic rock.
 
The show then alleges that Zoroastrian texts record the construction of an underground city used to survive the destruction of the world by a meteorite. This isn’t quite true. The text, which is obviously modeled on the Near Eastern Flood Myth, with the flood replaced by winter to adapt it to a Persian context. Note that the text mentions nothing about “underground” chambers, which the talking heads wrongly attribute to the Vara, in normal contexts an aboveground enclosure:
22. And Ahura Mazda spake unto Yima, saying: ‘O fair Yima, son of Vîvanghat! Upon the material world the fatal winters are going to fall, that shall bring the fierce, foul frost; upon the material world the fatal winters are going to fall, that shall make snow-flakes fall thick, even an aredvî deep on the highest tops of mountains.
 
23. And all the three sorts of beasts shall perish, those that live in the wilderness, and those that live on the tops of the mountains, and those that live in the bosom of the dale, under the shelter of stables.
 
24. Before that winter, those fields would bear plenty of grass for cattle: now with floods that stream, with snows that melt, it will seem a happy land in the world, the land wherein footprints even of sheep may still be seen.
 
25. Therefore make thee a Vara, long as a riding-ground on every side of the square, and thither bring the seeds of sheep and oxen, of men, of dogs, of birds, and of red blazing fires. Therefore make thee a Vara, long as a riding-ground on every side of the square, to be an abode for men; a Vara, long as a riding-ground on every side of the square, to be a fold for flocks.
 
[…]  30. In the largest part of the place thou shalt make nine streets, six in the middle part, three in the smallest. To the streets of the largest part thou shalt bring a thousand seeds of men and women; to the streets of the middle part, six hundred; to the streets of the smallest part, three hundred. That Vara thou shalt seal up with the golden ring, and thou shalt make a door, and a window self-shining within.’
 
(Avesta, Fargard 2.22-25, 30, trans. James Darmesteter)
As you can see from the actual text cited here, there is no falling object causing nuclear winter, nor is there an underground chamber resembling—“exactly” as William Henry falsely claims—the Turkish cave cities. One might read the sealing up of the walled enclosure as closing off a cave, but there is nothing in the text that demands this, not least because “Vara” literally means “enclosure,” i.e., a walled complex.
​Segment 3
The third segment focuses on the animal carvings on the large t-shaped pillars that define Göbekli Tepe. Sadly, the show descends into creationist nonsense by suggesting, in Henry’s words, that the carvings are a monument to Noah’s Ark and the literal site where Noah disembarked the Ark and carved an inventory of his animals in stone. I imagine that Xisuthrus and Utnapishtim, the Mesopotamian flood heroes, would be quite upset to hear that Ancient Aliens gives that upstart and knave Noah pride of place, considering his story is last in a long Near Eastern tradition that has nothing whatsoever to do with Göbekli Tepe except that the site is relatively close to the mountains associated with the Flood heroes and their arks.
 
The segment also expresses astonishment at the stylized human figures on the t-shaped pillars at Göbekli Tepe because the figures are unrealistic and has a posture with hands on the belly similar to Easter Island’s moai. But, given that arms can only be placed in so many positions on the human body, especially when trying to keep them flat to fit the shape of a pillar, it is hard to credit Collins’s assertion that holding one’s hands on one’s belly is a sign of a global prehistoric culture.
 
The narrator tells us that the true importance of Göbekli Tepe is its potential to prove that the Bible is literally true because Noah really sailed on the Flood waters, and I am left amazed at the way this season of Ancient Aliens has so completely embraced biblical creationism to fill out its countless hours.
Segment 4
The fourth segment follows Collins to a Turkish museum to look at a carved pole found at Göbekli Tepe in 2010 that depicts a series of stacked figures whose faces have been broken off. One might be a human baby and others possibly animal-headed humanoids, such as seen in shamanic art. The museum says that the carvings were deliberately destroyed when religious beliefs changed (destruction of religious art to deconsecrate is quite common), but ancient astronaut theorists allege that the destruction occurred to blot out the faces of space aliens so that modern people wouldn’t have proof that human babies were the genetic legacy of aliens having sex with Earth women. Naturally, this leads to the show claiming (wrongly) that (a) the Book of Enoch was “stripped” from the Bible in the 300s CE (it was never in) and that Enoch is correct in its claim that angels sired giants on human women. The implication is that the Göbekli Tepe pillar depicts that birth of the Nephilim and therefore supports the Genesis 6-7 narrative, read in light of Enoch, that the Nephilim’s sins brought about the Flood. At this point in the show’s run, they don’t bother even to say that angels are “really” aliens, mostly because for them the two categories are one, but this segment goes further than the previous one in advocating for the audience to believe in a heretical form of Christianity based on an ante-Nicene, Nephilim-centric view of history. It’s weird the way the show, which once offered a sort of generic New Age message has descended into an unusual Christian message as they rely ever more on the bizarre claims offered by Nephilim theorists and creationists, again to fill the time they are too lazy or too intellectually bankrupt to fill with their own original idea.
​Segment 5
In the fifth segment, we hear more about the long history of the Göbekli Tepe site and the fact that it was built in stages over time. Many of the circular temple enclosures, which were deliberately buried, have not been excavated. The segment refers to Collins’s 2014 book Göbekli Tepe: Genesis of the Gods and follows his allegation, for which there is no evidence, that the enclosures were intended to track the brightest star of the constellation Cygnus, Deneb, as it appeared in 9500 BCE. His allegation is that new enclosures were built because the precession of the equinoxes moved that star over time, misaligning the old enclosure. He believes that shamans would stand between the two pillars and use a hole carved in a rock to watch Deneb set on the horizon. This is one of those claims that is possible but unproved; no evidence of Cygnus can be found at Göbekli Tepe, and even if the pillars were meant to align to it, there is nothing to tell us why that star was chosen. Giorgio Tsoukalos simply asserts that the star is the home system of the aliens that taught humans architecture. This they tie in with the claim that one of the stars of Cygnus—not the one “targeted” at Göbekli Tepe—dimmed in a way consistent with an alien megastructure, proving aliens lived there. However, more recent analysis cast doubt on the claims of an alien megastructure, as I pointed out the first time the show made the claim, back in episode 1 of this season.
Segment 6
The sixth segment notes that fighters from the Islamic State came within sixty miles of Göbekli Tepe and that the Turkish government took efforts to protect the site from potential damage. The Turks plan to cover the site with a large roof (the one Graham Hancock railed against as sacrilege), and the narrator worries that Islamic State might destroy the site before Andrew Collins can finish speculating about “celestial beings, perhaps even extraterrestrials from the Cygnus constellation.” Remember that the next time Collins wants to be taken seriously as something more than an Ancient Aliens blowhard: He will happily playact as an ancient astronaut theorist for camera time. At least Graham Hancock has the courage of his convictions to refuse to endorse the ancient astronaut theory, even if he has happily appeared on Ancient Aliens. 
73 Comments
Henry
9/15/2017 10:22:48 pm

It's sad when a person hates others so much that he rotates his life around them, watching every move and listening to every word then writing about how much he hates them and is dying in jealousy.

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BigNick
9/15/2017 10:51:43 pm

And yet here you are, Mr. Sinclair, rotating your life around Jason and watching so you can be the first to post. I agree it is sad.

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Henry
9/15/2017 11:06:17 pm

You jason worshippers are so easy to manipulate. It'd be more interesting if you were not such fools.

Americanegro
9/15/2017 11:20:57 pm

Blast! Once again you have manipulated me into pointing out that you are a doodoo head. I'm on double secret bad language probation so that's the best I can do. I pray it will suffice, Master.

BigNick
9/15/2017 11:36:19 pm

I was going to ask him how he manipulated me, but then I thought, "maybe that's what he wants me to do."

Henry
9/15/2017 11:44:35 pm

Maybe bignick. I can't be sure of anything. I might have self manipulated.

BigNick
9/16/2017 12:13:15 am

Nothing to be ashamed of. I self manipulate every morning before I shower.

Berta
9/17/2017 02:25:01 pm

The passionate hostility of alien deniers is quite amusing.

Americanegro
9/17/2017 04:08:21 pm

I for one welcome our new alien overlords. Just wish they'd actually show up.

Jim
9/15/2017 10:57:44 pm

Easy to fix though, Just stop doing it.

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Not the Comte de Saint Germain
9/15/2017 11:03:04 pm

Here is Jason, doing research that ancient astronaut theorists are too lazy to ever do. He started tracking down the basis for Ancient Aliens' claims about beings in the sky who helped build the pyramids, and he ended up discovering the origins of a host of fringe theories.

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/what-the-ancient-arabs-said-about-aliens-and-pyramids-in-egypt

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/the-pyramids-and-the-flood-in-near-eastern-myth

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/who-were-the-nephilim

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/on-the-anunnaki-and-the-nephilim

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/how-the-nephilim-survived-the-flood

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/looking-for-the-ultimate-origin-of-the-myth-of-the-alien-origin-of-the-pyramids

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/how-hermes-became-surid-more-arab-pyramid-myths

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/the-watchers-and-mesopotamia-an-article-review

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/the-watchers-pillars-of-wisdom-in-freemasonry

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/further-testimony-of-the-watchers-wisdom-tablets

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/hermetic-prophecies-and-the-surid-pyramid-myth

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/the-antediluvian-knowledge-of-the-temple-of-akhmim

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/mystery-solved-the-key-text-that-explains-the-origins-of-hermes-and-the-medieval-pyramid-myths


Even if Jason's research is motivated by jealousy (I'm pretty sure it isn't, but let's humor you), I hope he continues to be jealous. It makes him more productive than this stupid show ever was.

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Henry
9/15/2017 11:14:24 pm

65 percent of the words of those blogs is copy/paste of others' words. His "translations" are ridiculous and he just substitutes words he prefers that give the meaning he wants his basket of fools to believe. So go ahead and copy/paste more examples of his copy/paste.

Not the Comte de Saint Germain
9/15/2017 11:22:08 pm

Most of the translations, at least the ones from Arabic, are not his. A lot of the time he has to work just to find out if a source has been translated into a language he can read. The real work he does is in connecting how ideas were transmitted from one source to another.

But let's say he does translate things deceptively. Prove it. Cite a specific example.

Henry
9/15/2017 11:29:31 pm

Those who live in the basket of fools would ask for another and another without end. Moving the goal line is a common tactic when you have no intention or ability of seeing the truth.

Americanegro
9/16/2017 11:55:38 am

How did you arrive at the "65 percent" figure? Do you have OCD or Tourette's or are you demonically possessed?

TONY S.
9/16/2017 01:14:28 pm

Henry, stop fillabustering and cite one example.

Otherwise please do us all a favor and STFU with your mindless and tiresome blabbering.

David Bradbury
9/17/2017 09:01:12 am

Cite one example Henry

An Over-Educated Grunt
9/18/2017 07:57:07 am

I for one am curious about which 35% of words he thinks Jason just invented. Every time I invent a word, it turns out to already exist, according to the OED. Makes it hard to cheat at Scrabble.

Joseph Craven
9/17/2017 03:20:52 am

Wow, Henry, just wow. Such a complete lack of self awareness should be cataloged so that it may be studied by future generations.

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Thegrim
9/18/2017 07:58:01 am

Henry is biggest imbecile on this dumb show. Only retards with no iq like henry believe this nonsense.
Sill wearing his cheap jewelry. Borrowed from his boytoy.

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Albert Macias
9/18/2017 08:03:04 am

There is hope. Kids that go to school with my 15 yr old laugh at this show. Pathetic losers that believe in leprachauns.
Amazing even the real scientist that I wrote too think the so called phony theorist are a laughing stock.
They do not even recognize them and that it is a real theory. Its a joke in real science and real archeology. Whats next aliens helped Hitler get away to the moon.
Henry is a loser like Childress. All idiots.

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Jennygirl00
9/18/2017 03:15:23 pm

I'm trying to figure out what's up with josh gates. It seems he tries to side with main stream archeology but now his expedition unknown show is going on a quest for aliens, which he has clearly stated that he does not prescribe to any ancient alien theory. Is he just selling out for ratings or what. He should make up his mind and stick with what he's always claimed to believe. His show on Friday night is never going get the ratings that ancient aliens gets.

Just my thoughts.

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Only Me
9/16/2017 02:25:03 am

Watching Henry mentally crumble in real time has been entertaining. Question, Henry: If ignorance is bliss, why are you so unhappy?

Now, on to the episode review. It's more proof a group of morons that don't know the first thing about the subject being discussed. Naturally, they don't care. There will always be the uninformed willing to buy what the show is selling.

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Shane Sullivan
9/16/2017 12:00:27 pm

To Henry's people, bliss is not found in ignorance; happiness can only be found by chasing Peer Gynt through the Norwegian Mountains.

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Only Me
9/16/2017 12:29:52 pm

Comments like these make me wish Weebly supported a like/dislike button. Keep 'em coming, Shane! ;)

Clete
9/16/2017 12:28:54 pm

Henry, whoever he, she or it it is, whenever they post has never offered even one useful fact or added anything to the conversation on this blog at all in all of the posts. He is like the person who wasn't invited to the party and instead of moving on with his life, stands outside crying and complaining about those who were invited.

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Pops
9/16/2017 01:49:02 pm

Is it possible Henry is Ashley trolling after Jason kicked her butt in the comment thread a few posts ago? This Henry character really popped out after the Ashley incident. Unless Henry is one of Ashley's admirers that is.

Americanegro
9/16/2017 02:30:39 pm

Ashley appears to be a he, just like Evelyn Waugh, but you're right about the timing. I still want to hear about the 65 percent; it's a precise figure, not just "more than half". If someone says "90 percent" I take that as likely meaning "most" but 65 percent is a curious number to pull out of thin air.

Candidates for Henry, previously Hank, in no particular order:

Ashley Cowie
Bob "Gunn" "Gunn Sinclair" and another that I've forgotten Voyles
Henry Sinclair
Scott Wolter (the stupidity math adds up)
A new player

John
9/16/2017 11:21:09 pm

?Steve Sinclair...I remember in previous rants thinking he might be tying one on. This fits that pattern.

Not sure he'd switch names though seems proud of his garbage mouth ideas.

Americanegro
9/16/2017 11:51:31 pm

Sorry, should have been "Steve Sinclair" or "St. Clair" or whatever of course. Thank you.

I'm puzzled about what Hankry thinks he's accomplishing, so the drinky-drinky and mental disorder ideas both have merit.

BigNick
9/17/2017 06:11:49 am

I called him Mr. Sinclair in my first post, and he didn't deny it, he just claimed he was manipulating me. That's very SteveSTD sounding to me

Ken
9/16/2017 08:35:06 am

Ancient Aliens theorists "translations" are ridiculous and Ancient Aliens just substitute words they prefer that give the meaning they want their basket of fools to believe.

There. Fixed. No need to thank me Henry.

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Pops
9/16/2017 02:00:39 pm

Pseudohistorians just frustrate me. I occasionally work with FEZANA and watching charlatans abuse the Zoroastrian scriptures for their own selfish gain and/or stupid "theory" really angers me as those fools are deceiving the public and even impressionable Zoroastrians to ridiculous ideas. And don't even get me started with those New Age wannabes who steal ideas and pretend to be Zoroastrians...

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Ken
9/16/2017 08:55:41 am

Children, children - let's play nice and try to 'just get along'.

While watching AA last night I received an epiphany from the Akashic record - Gobleki Tepe is actually Atlantis!!! It is so obvious - The circular waterways were really circular configurations of T-shaped columns. The Pillars of Hercules in this case were not Gibraltar, but the "Pillars of Hercules" pizzeria in Macedonia. (That damn Atlantean language is full of ambiguous words).

The Goblekis did not destroy their own structures - the Greeks went to war against them and burned them down. The Greek general Testicles was ridiculed and demoted when he returned home victorious for wasting resources on such a backwater as Gobleki.

Its amazing how the Atlantis legend got better and better with every telling. Fake news at its best!

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Supermeerkat link
9/16/2017 08:23:00 pm

General Testicles?

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BigNick
9/17/2017 12:43:40 am

He normally controlled the flanks, while another general spearheaded the advance.

Ken
9/16/2017 08:58:30 am

Holy Shit!!! There's two of me.

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indigestion keeps me up
9/16/2017 09:31:43 am

Ahhh yes comments precious comments. You're all fools, damned sexy fools! Don't you know this is just what the aliens want?! We must come together. The grey menace is out there and they stole my omeprazole.

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Joe Scales
9/16/2017 01:15:39 pm

I'm sexy?

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TONY S.
9/16/2017 04:13:36 pm

I was hoping someone would notice!

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CHF01
9/16/2017 02:02:49 pm

Best episode of the season, by far. AATs have spoke about GT in past episodes in small doses. This is the first full episode on this topic.

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Henry
9/16/2017 09:32:39 pm

Good comment.

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Pops
9/17/2017 09:01:35 pm

CHF01, Henry and Hank are probably the same person. If so that is pathetic that to feel better about his stupidity he makes up a persona to agree with him/herself. Sad.

Americanegro
9/18/2017 05:03:47 pm

I like to think of CHF01 as "Frank from Switzerland" and Henry as "that doodoo head".

"Henry, I'd like to talk to Frank now."

"Ja, Herr Doctor! Was ist los?"

Joe Scales
9/18/2017 08:32:32 pm

Well, while we're talking who's who, I do find it rather interesting that Pop's previous Trump impressions have become somewhat ingrained within his more recent contributions.

Praise Jeebus
9/21/2017 02:37:20 am

This was an amazing episode. I love when they just sit there and present hard facts one after the other.
My girl used to be a hater. Was raised religious. Now she is a believer. and who can blame her. Look at what we are discovering.
Such negative hateful comments from all the haters. What are you all so angry and afraid for.
BTW can't wait to see next season of AA. This show has become so popular and continues to grab new viewers. Simply amazing. The brainwashed world is finally waking up
And after reading this I will give destination unknown a shot and some ratings as well. Thanks for that

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Hank
9/16/2017 10:44:19 pm

Henry rocks. If only Ashley could be more like him.

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HandsOnSgt
9/17/2017 01:46:12 am

Oh Henry. Dear sweet 'Henry';
The bitterness and venomous vitriol you spit, almost makes one believe you had perhaps been directly attacked in this blog regarding the Ancient Aliens continuing nonsense.
Why are you so angry Henrietta?
Just how heavily invested are you?
Oh Henry.............. Dear sweet DELUDED 'Henry'...

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MarkG
9/17/2017 05:51:25 pm

I am patiently waiting for ancient astronaut theorists to hypothesize that Pokemon are not imaginary. The stories and creatures are either based on real history programmed into the game programmers brains by aliens or from sketches made on ancient stone tablets found somewhere. And people like Henry will be on here defending them.

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OCS
9/18/2017 10:15:29 pm

A thousand years from now I can see AAT's running around proclaiming that Pokemon MUST be real. There was an app on the holy smartphone that all revered so that they godly alien creatures could be tracked and captured.

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Christine Erikson link
9/18/2017 04:41:23 am

Supposedly humans until the past 200 years or less wee too stupid to pick their noses without breaking their arms, let alone build or invent anything.

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Americanegro
9/18/2017 05:07:23 pm

I wouldn't dream of speaking for anyone else, but that is a very accurate portrayal of my thinking, and it's my surmise that most folks here think the same. Because it's true.

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Americanegro
9/19/2017 10:36:36 am

Except of course the Templars.

"Knowledge of higher order mathematics, geometry and astronomy is what gave them an advantage over their rivals. That, and ancient maps and knowledge of previous navigation to the various continents in the distant past."

-- Daypack Man, Driller of Illegal Samples

Joe Scales
9/19/2017 12:59:13 pm

One day he believes Templars had unknown technology to view Venus as a crescent, then the next day decides that he can see it himself with the naked eye. A true visionary.

Jim
9/19/2017 04:16:28 pm

He probably noticed it while visiting a Tibetan Monastery high in the Himalayas where the Templar Buddhists were worshiping one or another female deity.
Perhaps he will find that the Buddhists and Templars shared a common ideology in that they both revered the Roman goddess Venus, or Mary Magdalene, or the Holy Mother, or a Mi’kmaq tribal goddess. Heck, perhaps Wolter will decide Buddha was a she.
Nothing would surprise me now.

Americanegro
9/19/2017 07:15:10 pm

It turns out it is possible to see the crescent Venus with the naked eye if you have really good eyesight. I know because I looked it up. Research and connecting facts is not his strong suit so he went directly to "of course they had telescopes, from the mideast and the far east!"

"I'm not aware of the specific mathematics used by the medieval Templars while on their expeditions across the seas. However, I would never underestimate their intellectual capabilities.

Knowledge of higher order mathematics, geometry and astronomy is what gave them an advantage over their rivals."

"I don’t see any conflict in these statements. We know the Templars had extensive knowledge in mathematics, geometry and astronomy, and that they were masterful sailors. While there is no question they had the necessary knowledge, what the exact specifics of the knowledge was I don’t know for certain.

Not sure why you feel these statements need to be reconciled?"

I suspect a large part of his day is spent recapitulating the story of Onan while thinking about Templars. He can't keep his facts straight from one paragraph to another.

Joe Scales
9/20/2017 10:26:28 am

"It turns out it is possible to see the crescent Venus with the naked eye if you have really good eyesight. I know because I looked it up. Research and connecting facts is not his strong suit "

Yeah, someone must have tipped him off in this regard for him to subsequently decide that he can see it, after first recognizing the inherent problem of normalizing Venus as a crescent. Comic theatre.

Americanegro
9/20/2017 12:19:16 pm

Our Scott goes round and round with Alex J. Hiddell and Anonymous in the most recent comments on his site. Full text there. Here's a sample:

"On the 14th it takes technology to see Venus as a crescent. On the 15th Mr. Wolter decides that he's seen it before.

Please explain what changed in one day.

Anonymous,

This is a classic troll entry in a petty attempt to play “gotcha.” "

Joe Scales
9/20/2017 01:15:37 pm

I'm surprised Wolter would even publish such remarks given that he has no explanation other than what we already know; that he's an imbecile.

Cue Anthony Warren to post something even more idiotic as a distraction...

Americanegro
9/20/2017 02:35:00 pm

You put your finger on it Joe. He is really, aggressively, way on the low side of normal, NOT SMART. He really gets peeved at people who post anonymously. That's a hot button for him.

Joe Scales
9/20/2017 04:23:19 pm

Way back when I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, thinking he was perhaps a clever fraud who knew he was poisoning the well for pure profit. Now it's beyond any doubt that he's simply an imbecilic poseur, exposed for any to see who try to make sense of his proofs by assertion. If only there was a youtube compilation of expressions from those in academia who once gave him the benefit of the doubt, as they slowly realized they'd be parlaying with an idiot. Williams. Nielsen. Kehoe. The Scandinavian professors... who are probably still laughing after all these years.

Jim
9/20/2017 05:02:28 pm

It has gone from a from a depiction of crescent moon carved on a rock most likely 8 or 9 years ago, to proof that the Templars had really advanced scientific navigating skills garnered somewhat from information they got from Tibetan monks high in the Himalayas. All due to Wolter concocting a fabrication that a crescent moon is supposedly a depiction of Venus. And not a shred of evidence except Wolters Imagination. Wow.

Anthony Warren
Wikipedia: Warren often refers to: A network of rabbit burrows

Americanegro
9/20/2017 06:07:46 pm

Anthony Warren is a whole 'nother kettle of crazy. He believes that British people tell him that he's a British subject.

"With naked eye astronomy our ancestors used the orbits of Saturn and Jupiter to form an accurate clock."
[more blabber]
"With this jealously guarded knowledge a small group of men and women took control of the world."

On 02/15/2015 MIA Gunn wrote "I participated in a DNA project about ten years ago, too, and both approaches showed that I have pretty much nothing but Viking and Templar bloodlines"

But there's plenty of Anthony Warren's special craziness too...
http://scottwolteranswers.blogspot.com/2015/02/st-clair-sinclair-dna-and-templars.html

Our Scott's comments section is one of my favorite shows.
_____________
p.s. Without understanding the implications, Captain Stupid now admits that the "higher knowledge" the Templars had was possessed by people all over the world! Contradicting Anthony Warren.

Joe Scales
9/20/2017 07:03:36 pm

"http://scottwolteranswers.blogspot.com/2015/02/st-clair-sinclair-dna-and-templars.html"

Thanks for the blast from the past there. That's when Steve caught up with his distant cousin. The one sharing a home with a man not her spouse.

Joe Scales
9/20/2017 07:15:08 pm

And there was Anthony, right on cue. I should be more careful. Some nut will accuse me of being him too...

Americanegro
9/20/2017 11:14:45 pm

For those who came in late "Anthony Warren" is his first and middle name. He hides his last name to avoid persecution (maybe from the British) but used to post under it on various archaeology blogs. He's easily findable (just look for Anthony the nutcase) but I forget his last name because I'm only interested in mocking him.

Jim
9/22/2017 03:23:01 pm

Wheeee,,,,,Now we are getting somewhere,, Magic swords !!!

Anthony Warren ,, " Those who could transmute iron into steel had a major advantage. Especially if they used meteoric iron to create a magic sword. "

Americanegro
9/22/2017 03:58:15 pm

Anthony Warren is another in Wolter's Circle of Idiots. "Transmute"? The meanings of words is not his strong suit.

Jim
9/23/2017 12:02:53 am

I'm just wondering if this magic sword with meteoric iron can be used as a navigational device and does it point true north ?
Hmmm, I seen to remember something of the sort,,,,,,,,,,,

Bob Jase
9/18/2017 11:30:00 am

"Collins’s assertion that holding one’s hands on one’s belly is a sign of a global prehistoric culture."

And that culture fell due to chronic constipation apparently.

Too bad it didn't take Henry with it.

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An Over-Educated Grunt
9/19/2017 12:26:22 pm

Dysentery did kill Henry the Young King, but that doesn't much help us here.

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TARIS link
10/18/2017 05:51:08 am

All this stuff the Ancient Aliens hosts are talking about comes from the Cthulu Mythos, specifically the Timeline of the Mythos. I was surprised they didn't try and tell the audience that Gobekli Tepe was from the long lost Hyborian Age or some other Atlantis type Cthulu myth. Every time archaeologists discover an ancient site, these ancient alien people swoop in and claim the site was built by aliens or that aliens helped humans build the site. Again, no alien tools left lying around, no evidence at all, just wild speculation. Still, for anyone wanting to write a science fiction novel, the AA bullshit is a wealth of speculative information for a story or background.

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Keyser Soze
12/27/2017 09:35:32 am

I don't find Collins assertions incredible as indeed the holes on the Monoliths are aligned with Cygnus and Deneb and seem very plausible considering the Earth's wobble every 26,000 years. Moreover, here a few facts that are irrefutable: 1) Kara-Hunge in the Eastern Armenian Highlands, have monoliths erected 9,000 years ago that have similar hole misalignments because of the Earth's wobble that relate to the same constellation Cygnus (Swan or Vulture): 2) Gobekli Tepe is in the Western Armenian Highlands: 3) The Vulture is an ancient Zoroastrian symbol of Sky Burial and transcendence to the afterlife even believed by the Egyptians as evidenced in their headdresses. (see for example King Tut's burial headdress): 4) the Pentagon recently announced that it had been spending 25 million a year to investigate UFO encounters with military aircraft going back since 2007 (although probably downplayed the years and amounts) with actual irrefutable video of UFO fleets by Naval F-18 pilots. I am not saying the UfOs are related to Gobekli Tepe; merely implying that perhaps through Quantum Entanglement and the Pineal gland that telepathic communications are possible with Shamans or a ruling/religious class of Armenian Royalty.

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      • Extraterrestrial Evolution?
    • Collection: Skeptic Magazine >
      • America Before Review
      • Native American Discovery of Europe
      • Interview: Scott Sigler
      • Golden Fleeced
      • Oh the Horror
      • Discovery of America
      • Supernatural Television
      • Review of Civilization One
      • Who Lost the Middle Ages
      • Charioteer of the Gods
    • Collection: Ancient History >
      • Prehistoric Nuclear War
      • The China Syndrome
      • Atlantis, Mu, and the Maya
      • Easter Island Exposed
      • Who Built the Sphinx?
      • Who Built the Great Pyramid?
      • Archaeological Cover Up?
    • Collection: The Lovecraft Legacy >
      • Pauwels, Bergier, and Lovecraft
      • Lovecraft in Bergier
      • Lovecraft and Scientology
    • Collection: UFOs >
      • Alien Abduction at the Outer Limits
      • Aliens and Anal Probes
      • Ultra-Terrestrials and UFOs
      • Rebels, Queers, and Aliens
    • Scholomance: The Devil's School
    • Prehistory of Chupacabra
    • The Templars, the Holy Grail, & Henry Sinclair
    • Magicians of the Gods Review
    • The Curse of the Pharaohs
    • The Antediluvian Pyramid Myth
    • Whitewashing American Prehistory
    • James Dean's Cursed Porsche
  • The Library
    • Ancient Mysteries >
      • Ancient Texts >
        • Mesopotamian Texts >
          • Atrahasis Epic
          • Epic of Gilgamesh
          • Kutha Creation Legend
          • Babylonian Creation Myth
          • Descent of Ishtar
          • Berossus
          • Comparison of Antediluvian Histories
        • Egyptian Texts >
          • The Shipwrecked Sailor
          • Dream Stela of Thutmose IV
          • The Papyrus of Ani
          • Classical Accounts of the Pyramids
          • Inventory Stela
          • Manetho
          • Eratosthenes' King List
          • The Story of Setna
          • Leon of Pella
          • Diodorus on Egyptian History
          • On Isis and Osiris
          • Famine Stela
          • Old Egyptian Chronicle
          • The Book of Sothis
          • Horapollo
          • Al-Maqrizi's King List
        • Teshub and the Dragon
        • Hermetica >
          • The Three Hermeses
          • Kore Kosmou
          • Corpus Hermeticum
          • The Asclepius
          • The Emerald Tablet
          • Hermetic Fragments
          • Prologue to the Kyranides
          • The Secret of Creation
          • Ancient Alphabets Explained
          • Prologue to Ibn Umayl's Silvery Water
          • Book of the 24 Philosophers
          • Aurora of the Philosophers
        • Hesiod's Theogony
        • Periplus of Hanno
        • Ctesias' Indica
        • Sanchuniathon
        • Sima Qian
        • Syncellus's Enoch Fragments
        • The Book of Enoch
        • Slavonic Enoch
        • Sepher Yetzirah
        • Tacitus' Germania
        • De Dea Syria
        • Aelian's Various Histories
        • Julius Africanus' Chronography
        • Eusebius' Chronicle
        • Chinese Accounts of Rome
        • Ancient Chinese Automaton
        • The Orphic Argonautica
        • Fragments of Panodorus
        • Annianus on the Watchers
        • The Watchers and Antediluvian Wisdom
      • Medieval Texts >
        • Medieval Legends of Ancient Egypt >
          • Medieval Pyramid Lore
          • John Malalas on Ancient Egypt
          • Fragments of Abenephius
          • Akhbar al-zaman
          • Ibrahim ibn Wasif Shah
          • Murtada ibn al-‘Afif
          • Al-Maqrizi on the Pyramids
          • Al-Suyuti on the Pyramids
        • The Hunt for Noah's Ark
        • Isidore of Seville
        • Book of Liang: Fusang
        • Agobard on Magonia
        • Book of Thousands
        • Voyage of Saint Brendan
        • Power of Art and of Nature
        • Travels of Sir John Mandeville
        • Yazidi Revelation and Black Book
        • Al-Biruni on the Great Flood
        • Voyage of the Zeno Brothers
        • The Kensington Runestone (Hoax)
        • Islamic Discovery of America
        • The Aztec Creation Myth
      • Lost Civilizations >
        • Atlantis >
          • Plato's Atlantis Dialogues >
            • Timaeus
            • Critias
          • Fragments on Atlantis
          • Panchaea: The Other Atlantis
          • Eumalos on Atlantis (Hoax)
          • Gómara on Atlantis
          • Sardinia and Atlantis
          • Santorini and Atlantis
          • The Mound Builders and Atlantis
          • Donnelly's Atlantis
          • Atlantis in Morocco
          • Atlantis and the Sea Peoples
          • W. Scott-Elliot >
            • The Story of Atlantis
            • The Lost Lemuria
          • The Lost Atlantis
          • Atlantis in Africa
          • How I Found Atlantis (Hoax)
          • Termier on Atlantis
          • The Critias and Minoan Crete
          • Rebuttal to Termier
          • Further Responses to Termier
          • Flinders Petrie on Atlantis
        • Lost Cities >
          • Miscellaneous Lost Cities
          • The Seven Cities
          • The Lost City of Paititi
          • Manuscript 512
          • The Idolatrous City of Iximaya (Hoax)
          • The 1885 Moberly Lost City Hoax
          • The Elephants of Paredon (Hoax)
        • OOPARTs
        • Oronteus Finaeus Antarctica Map
        • Caucasians in Panama
        • Jefferson's Excavation
        • Fictitious Discoveries in America
        • Against Diffusionism
        • Tunnels Under Peru
        • The Parahyba Inscription (Hoax)
        • Mound Builders
        • Gunung Padang
        • Tales of Enchanted Islands
        • The 1907 Ancient World Map Hoax
        • The 1909 Grand Canyon Hoax
        • The Interglacial Period
        • Solving Oak Island
      • Religious Conspiracies >
        • Pantera, Father of Jesus?
        • Toledot Yeshu
        • Peter of les Vaux-de-Cernay on Cathars
        • Testimony of Jean de Châlons
        • Rosslyn Chapel and the 'Prentice's Pillar
        • The Many Wives of Jesus
        • Templar Infiltration of Labor
        • Louis Martin & the Holy Bloodline
        • The Life of St. Issa (Hoax)
        • On the Person of Jesus Christ
      • Giants in the Earth >
        • Fossil Origins of Myths >
          • Fossil Teeth and Bones of Elephants
          • Fossil Elephants
          • Fossil Bones of Teutobochus
          • Fossil Mammoths and Giants
          • Giants' Bones Dug Out of the Earth
          • Fossils and the Supernatural
          • Fossils, Myth, and Pseudo-History
          • Man During the Stone Age
          • Fossil Bones and Giants
          • American Elephant Myths
          • The Mammoth and the Flood
          • Fossils and Myth
          • Fossil Origin of the Cyclops
          • Mastodon, Mammoth, and Man
        • Fragments on Giants
        • Manichaean Book of Giants
        • Geoffrey on British Giants
        • Alfonso X's Hermetic History of Giants
        • Boccaccio and the Fossil 'Giant'
        • Book of Howth
        • Purchas His Pilgrimage
        • Edmond Temple's 1827 Giant Investigation
        • The Giants of Sardinia
        • Giants and the Sons of God
        • The Magnetism of Evil
        • Tertiary Giants
        • Smithsonian Giant Reports
        • Early American Giants
        • The Giant of Coahuila
        • Jewish Encyclopedia on Giants
        • Index of Giants
        • Newspaper Accounts of Giants
        • Lanier's A Book of Giants
      • Science and History >
        • Halley on Noah's Comet
        • The Newport Tower
        • Iron: The Stone from Heaven
        • Ararat and the Ark
        • Pyramid Facts and Fancies
        • Argonauts before Homer
        • The Deluge
        • Crown Prince Rudolf on the Pyramids
        • Old Mythology in New Apparel
        • Blavatsky on Dinosaurs
        • Teddy Roosevelt on Bigfoot
        • Devil Worship in France
        • Maspero's Review of Akhbar al-zaman
        • The Holy Grail as Lucifer's Crown Jewel
        • The Mutinous Sea
        • The Rock Wall of Rockwall
        • Fabulous Zoology
        • The Origins of Talos
        • Mexican Mythology
        • Chinese Pyramids
        • Maqrizi's Names of the Pharaohs
      • Extreme History >
        • Roman Empire Hoax
        • American Antiquities
        • American Cataclysms
        • England, the Remnant of Judah
        • Historical Chronology of the Mexicans
        • Maspero on the Predynastic Sphinx
        • Vestiges of the Mayas
        • Ragnarok: The Age of Fire and Gravel
        • Origins of the Egyptian People
        • The Secret Doctrine >
          • Volume 1: Cosmogenesis
          • Volume 2: Anthropogenesis
        • Phoenicians in America
        • The Electric Ark
        • Traces of European Influence
        • Prince Henry Sinclair
        • Pyramid Prophecies
        • Templars of Ancient Mexico
        • Chronology and the "Riddle of the Sphinx"
        • The Faith of Ancient Egypt
        • Spirit of the Hour in Archaeology
        • Book of the Damned
        • Great Pyramid As Noah's Ark
        • Richard Shaver's Proofs
    • Alien Encounters >
      • US Government Ancient Astronaut Files >
        • Fortean Society and Columbus
        • Inquiry into Shaver and Palmer
        • The Skyfort Document
        • Whirling Wheels
        • Denver Ancient Astronaut Lecture
        • Soviet Search for Lemuria
        • Visitors from Outer Space
        • Unidentified Flying Objects (Abstract)
        • "Flying Saucers"? They're a Myth
        • UFO Hypothesis Survival Questions
        • Air Force Academy UFO Textbook
        • The Condon Report on Ancient Astronauts
        • Atlantis Discovery Telegrams
        • Ancient Astronaut Society Telegram
        • Noah's Ark Cables
        • The Von Daniken Letter
        • CIA Psychic Probe of Ancient Mars
        • Scott Wolter Lawsuit
        • UFOs in Ancient China
        • CIA Report on Noah's Ark
        • CIA Noah's Ark Memos
        • Congressional Ancient Aliens Testimony
        • Ancient Astronaut and Nibiru Email
        • Congressional Ancient Mars Hearing
        • House UFO Hearing
      • Ancient Extraterrestrials >
        • Premodern UFO Sightings
        • The Moon Hoax
        • Inhabitants of Other Planets
        • Blavatsky on Ancient Astronauts
        • The Stanzas of Dzyan (Hoax)
        • Aerolites and Religion
        • What Is Theosophy?
        • Plane of Ether
        • The Adepts from Venus
      • A Message from Mars
      • Saucer Mystery Solved?
      • Orville Wright on UFOs
      • Interdimensional Flying Saucers
      • Flying Saucers Are Real
      • Report on UFOs
    • The Supernatural >
      • The Devils of Loudun
      • Sublime and Beautiful
      • Voltaire on Vampires
      • Demonology and Witchcraft
      • Thaumaturgia
      • Bulgarian Vampires
      • Religion and Evolution
      • Transylvanian Superstitions
      • Defining a Zombie
      • Dread of the Supernatural
      • Vampires
      • Werewolves and Vampires and Ghouls
      • Science and Fairy Stories
      • The Cursed Car
    • Classic Fiction >
      • Lucian's True History
      • Some Words with a Mummy
      • The Coming Race
      • King Solomon's Mines
      • An Inhabitant of Carcosa
      • The Xipéhuz
      • Lot No. 249
      • The Novel of the Black Seal
      • The Island of Doctor Moreau
      • Pharaoh's Curse
      • Edison's Conquest of Mars
      • The Lost Continent
      • Count Magnus
      • The Mysterious Stranger
      • The Wendigo
      • Sredni Vashtar
      • The Lost World
      • The Red One
      • H. P. Lovecraft >
        • Dagon
        • The Call of Cthulhu
        • History of the Necronomicon
        • At the Mountains of Madness
        • Lovecraft's Library in 1932
      • The Skeptical Poltergeist
      • The Corpse on the Grating
      • The Second Satellite
      • Queen of the Black Coast
      • A Martian Odyssey
    • Classic Genre Movies
    • Miscellaneous Documents >
      • The Balloon-Hoax
      • A Problem in Greek Ethics
      • The Migration of Symbols
      • The Gospel of Intensity
      • De Profundis
      • The Life and Death of Crown Prince Rudolf
      • The Bathtub Hoax
      • Crown Prince Rudolf's Letters
      • Position of Viking Women
      • Employment of Homosexuals
      • James Dean's Love Letters
      • The Amazing James Dean Hoax!
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